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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by conradev »

saturn8601 wrote: post #150
Animats wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next generation of Waymo vehicles, based on the Hyundai Ioniq 5, will have powered doors.[1] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn...

I've heard in the past that the OEMs don't want to be relegated to being just some whitebox manufacturer so many of them have been very cold (in receptiveness) to working with Waymo. Probably explains the terrible selection of vehicles they have used, Chrysler Pacifica minivan, Jaguar i-Pace, the ionic 5 was surprising since I suspected the others were just OEMs offloading their turds onto Waymo and telling them to t…

Huh? Hyundai has Tesla-tier automated factories that churn out EVs, and they’re building plants around the world. I don’t think they care who buys their cars.

Tesla sold a bunch of cars to Hertz which turned out to be terrible for Hertz, but great for Tesla.

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Post by dheera »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #37
j7ake wrote: post #14

They haven’t even gotten self driving working with driver still at the wheel, how are they supposed to convince us that they can do fully autonomous?

I use it every day, but HN says it doesn’t work

Mine still makes a lot of grave mistakes on local roads, stops for overly long at stop signs (long enough to confuse other drivers), and has very poor merging behavior, especially when there are trucks around. It works fine 99% of the time.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by Marsymars »

karlgkk wrote: post #38
nkotov wrote: post #5

Love the design of the robocab. Assuming production looks something like this, can’t wait to see it IRL.

It's a slick design, but unless it's expected to be used in very limited scenarios, the lack of a control surface (or even how Tesla expects to build an OC) for edge cases is worrying.

I expect that the general handling of edge cases for any control-free robotaxi is that you call for emergency services, or an Uber, depending on severity.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by nateglims »

_9omd wrote: post #138
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #15

Anybody know why the autonomous taxi isn't just a model 3? I don't see the point in a purpose built two seater with no steering wheel or pedals and I don't know why regulators would approve an autonomous car with no way to manually override it.

They're going for lowest cost per mile. Most rides have 2 or less people, this will address that huge market in a very efficient way.

Why is that market not served by a 4 person self driving car?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by [deleted] »

tbruckner wrote: post #148
porphyra wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> one detail that is clear is that existing Teslas won't be taxiing anyone, and Tesla will be the operator reaping the benefits Elon said you will be able to buy a Cybercab for under $30,000 and individual owners will be able to "tend to [your robotaxi fleet] like a flock of sheep".

And Elon is a guy that knows how to tend to flocks of sheep(le)

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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by y1n0 »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #79
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #15

Anybody know why the autonomous taxi isn't just a model 3? I don't see the point in a purpose built two seater with no steering wheel or pedals and I don't know why regulators would approve an autonomous car with no way to manually override it.

I have no first hand knowledge here, but thinking from first principles. From Robotaxi fleet perspective you want autonomous maintenance, cleaning, charging, and lowest cost. From Robotaxi user perspective you want climate / music / entertaiment / safety. So the idea for robot taxi is that it should be better than model 3 in some or all of those dimensions. Now speculating for the moment, from Elon perspective you pr…

From what “first principles” are you thinking?

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Post by nmca »

momento wrote: post #75

They are going face major regulatory hurdles. Safety concerns are huge—both real and perceived—and governments, especially in places like the US and Europe, are still far from trusting fully autonomous vehicles. Add in fragmented regulations across different states and countries, plus potential public skepticism, and it's clear this won't be in place any time soon. Labor opposition is also going to be a nightmare. Ju…

I already get a driverless taxi a few times a week

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by binarynate »

It's ironic that the example he gives for driving across LA already has a fast train connection:

> People that live in LA, I mean try to get from Pasadena to El Segundo during rush hour. You can fly to another city faster than you get to crosstown LA. And you have to drive the whole way.

You can take the Metro A line from Pasadena, then transfer to the C line to get to El Segundo. No driving necessary. Musk sells cars, so of course he has a massive incentive to say more cars are the solution to peoples' transit woes. But it seems like throwing more cars at the problem will simply make traffic worse, and from my experience living in Chicago, the best solution to avoid traffic (and parking!) is to take an alternative mode of transit that can bypass it (e.g. train, bike, electric scooter).

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Post by iknowstuff »

saturn8601 wrote: post #155
darth_avocado wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. If you have a robotaxi for under 30k, why not just sell the car for that much?

Has he like ever met his promised price? If we go by almost every single other car he has released, The 30k robotaxi will be available for like 1 week on a stripped down tier (maybe like 25kwH battery?) or available off menu for like 6 months until it disappears and no one dares speak of it again.

https://skills.ai/tesla-car-prices-analysis/ 37k model 3 for a good chunk of time, especially given the inflation since initial announcement, and given the amount of features in the base version which you'd have to pay out the ass with other OEMs, is actually very good.
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