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Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by gonzo » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:06 AM UTC

tikhonj wrote: post #109

gcb wrote: post #51

Hope you felt good upvoting all those articles stating how ridiculous patent law is FROM YOUR DAMN APPLE DEVICES Time to vote with your wallet is way overdue. And while you're at it may think about the Sony stuff you own.

Sony may be evil, but they're much less insidious than Apple. Why? Simple: Apple is, whether we like it or not, popular. Sony isn't. The real problem is not just Apple's behavior, but also how many people like them despite their behavior. Of course, I won't claim any moral superiority here. While I don't have any Apple devices, it's not because of moral reasons but simply because I am genuinely unimpressed with their…

A bit over 15 years ago, Sony was extremely popular.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by arpit » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:08 AM UTC

For the last couple of years I have been trying to stay objective about this (I actually do quite a bit of iOS programming in my day job in addition to Android) and have always tried to be more pro-android than anti-Apple, but I am finally done trying to walk the fence. Enough of this bullshit. Its time for consumers to be aware that every time they buy an Apple product, they are damaging the software industry and the spirit of innovation. Its like buying blood diamonds. Sure they are pretty but the cost isnt worth it.

My question: Is there a central point for sending out this message? I would love to see someone setup a messaging page like "Say No to Apple" or something like that that I can link to. Some activity the level of the SOPA blackouts would be awesome (though probably not realistic, but hey, I can dream), with JavaScript popups for idevices etc.What about things like Twitter badges or sidebar widgets that we can install on our blogs, profile pages etc?

I think the normal folks (consumers) don't get how bad this is.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by moultano » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:13 AM UTC

When you work for a company that does this, you owe it to your integrity to resign.

The government is too incompetent to fix this mess, and market pressure isn't going to do it either. That leaves us, the actual engineers. It's our job to tell the companies we work for that litigating instead of competing isn't acceptable.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by pook1e » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:19 AM UTC

oemera wrote: post #107

You are all way to biased about the whole thing. Thing about it. They just freaking copied Siri. Would you feel cool if someone else just copies your innovative product feature. Apple has all right to sue them and get them blocked. You can hate my comment. You can down vote me. You can hate Apple as much as you like but all of you know before there was iPhone and iPad there was nothing close to any of it. So how can…

> They just freaking copied Siri.

This article is about the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, which doesn't have any integrated voice assistant as far as I am aware.

> Eric Schmidt just stole every inch of the iPhone...

While it may be true that Android has "stolen" certain things from the iPhone, there are also plenty of things that the iPhone has also "stolen" from Android. Saying Android copies everything that Apple does while Apple continues to build everything from the ground up is completely unfair.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rogerchucker » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:23 AM UTC

vibrunazo wrote: post #85

bishnu wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this kind of stuff not brought up in court? How can you possibly patent something that already existed?

IANAL, but as far as I my very limited understanding goes. Prior art isn't verified when a patent application is applied. Only after that, when someone files a suit trying to invalidate the patent. Which is a separate case from the injunction. So Samsung would have to file a separate suit to invalidate the patents. If then win that, then and only then, they'll be able to stop the injunction by saying Apple patents ar…

iAnal so iCant help you...

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by Tloewald » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:26 AM UTC

dguaraglia wrote: post #52

mythz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is irreparable harm considering they can't get back the monopoly/leading market-share effect at this very young stage of the tablet market. i.e. Sales and profits now is a lot more important than Sales and Money later.

Yeah, but AFAIK this economic model (and the Constitution) was supposed to work by trying to break monopolies, not encouraging them.

You do realize that a patent is a deliberately created, temporary monopoly.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by Tloewald » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:29 AM UTC

JabavuAdams wrote: post #87

jellicle wrote: post #2

>According to Judge Koh, “Apple has articulated a plausible theory of irreparable harm” in its argument against Samsung and the Galaxy Nexus, because of “long-term loss of market share” along with “losses of downstream sales.” This is not what "irreparable harm" used to mean. Apple's lawyers are celebrating tonight. EDIT: If I plan to kill a cat, and you file a lawsuit to stop me, the judge may issue an injunction fo…

> Apple has managed to have a bogus patent issued - the patent, as far as I can tell, covers any sort of "search-as-you-type" system Is this from reading the claims, or from reading the introduction (whatever that's called)?

If you are correct, then Apple obtained this patent before any of these things you mentioned existed. I'd mention On Location as prior art though -- On Location was truly awesome.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by thezilch » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:31 AM UTC

mythz wrote: post #37

jellicle wrote: post #2

>According to Judge Koh, “Apple has articulated a plausible theory of irreparable harm” in its argument against Samsung and the Galaxy Nexus, because of “long-term loss of market share” along with “losses of downstream sales.” This is not what "irreparable harm" used to mean. Apple's lawyers are celebrating tonight. EDIT: If I plan to kill a cat, and you file a lawsuit to stop me, the judge may issue an injunction fo…

It is irreparable harm considering they can't get back the monopoly/leading market-share effect at this very young stage of the tablet market. i.e. Sales and profits now is a lot more important than Sales and Money later.

And the inverse, where Apple inflicts similar, irreparable harm to their competitors that are using "bogus" patents? Consider Apple is already a market leader, the implications are more damning in the opposite direction.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by Tloewald » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:36 AM UTC

jmduke wrote: post #73

taligent wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the words of the court, "The Court finds that the full extent of these losses would likely be unascertainable, difficult to calculate, and irreparable." And I fully agree that the finance department would be able to calculate the expected profit per customer for today's products. But what about tomorrow's ? And the next year ? Apple locks in the user at multiple points: apps, movies, TV shows, books, accessories e…

You're using circular logic. "The court finds theory of irreparable harm to be plausible because the court finds that the full extent of these losses would be irreparable." OP's entire argument is that the court's finding is incorrect and that's why its a victory for Apple's lawyers -- I think you're severely underestimating the forecasting techniques used, especially in a company as competent as Apple.

The OP did not address this argument, but merely asserted that no irreparable harm would be done because you could simply pay damages. The court has said that calculating damages is impossible.

It doesn't seem to me that incalculable implies irreparable but it's certainly a defensible position.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by oemera » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:38 AM UTC

pook1e wrote: post #114

oemera wrote: post #107

You are all way to biased about the whole thing. Thing about it. They just freaking copied Siri. Would you feel cool if someone else just copies your innovative product feature. Apple has all right to sue them and get them blocked. You can hate my comment. You can down vote me. You can hate Apple as much as you like but all of you know before there was iPhone and iPad there was nothing close to any of it. So how can…

> They just freaking copied Siri. This article is about the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, which doesn't have any integrated voice assistant as far as I am aware. > Eric Schmidt just stole every inch of the iPhone... While it may be true that Android has "stolen" certain things from the iPhone, there are also plenty of things that the iPhone has also "stolen" from Android. Saying Android copies everything that Apple does whil…

AFAIK you would voice assistant in Android 4.1 which is damn similar what Apple introduced with Siri. I really can't understand how some people can just ignore the fact that there happens a big stolen product here. How on earth will you argue that Google has now a similar voice assistant like Siri without copying Siri. You don't want to say it is coincendence, do you?

People always claim Apple had stolen from Android too but they never can give any evidence. What did Apple copy from Android which become a major selling factor? Copy paste? No. Multi touch? No. Multitasking? No. App Store? Hello no!

Please just tell me how entrepreneurs all seem to hate Apple because Apple just fighting for there right. The right to say: Hey if you want to make a product, but don't just copy our product!

Apple didn't sued Microsoft over WP7 cause they didn't just copy The iPhone. They found something new. Something different. But Android And Google just trying to copy the hell of iOS as much as possible.

EDIT: This has nothing to do with being a die-hard Apple guy. Everyone should have the right to fight copy cats. Or would like it that your product is getting copied and you as a the creator earn just nothing from it at all. Not even the respect that it was your idea and your product.