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Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by runevault » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:35 AM UTC

raganwald wrote: post #80

pm90 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody said its products are inferior. The argument _is_ against its business strategies, which is quite absurd, to say the least. I think the reason why ars advocated a boycott was as a 'protest' to show Apple that it must not partake in such activities. And please please don't give me the argument that Apple is a corporation that exists only for its profits etcetc. There are ways to maximize your profit without bei…

I was replying to someone who said: "Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition.” I accept that you don’t say that their products are terrible. I certainly like their products while disliking the innovation-killing patent-circus. The eventual end-game is an oligopoly, and I think this is a net loss for humankind.

I took the less literal meaning of the statement, as more of a "do you have so little faith in your product's ability to compete in the open market" though perhaps I'm being too generous.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by jellicle » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:39 AM UTC

raganwald wrote: post #18

ars wrote: post #4

I'm starting to hate Apple more and more. Apple: Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? I think it may be time for high profile developers to boycott Apple till they stop acting like this.

Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? Let’s say I invent and patent carbon fibre and start making bicycles out of it. My bicycles are vastly superior to lightweight steel, aluminium, and scandium framed models on the market. Are my products terrible? Obviously not! Now my competitors rush out to make carbon fibre bicycles of their own. I sue. Am I…

Skilled developers defending software patents is shameful. You should know better.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by jQueryIsAwesome » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:41 AM UTC

Maybe if a big enough amount of people gave them some bad PR they would stop doing this monopolistic and unethical actions. I propose to make #AppleIsAnUglyTroll a trend on Twitter (for the masses "Ugly Troll" is more appealing than "Patent Troll")

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by pbz » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:44 AM UTC

creamyhorror wrote: post #92

I am absolutely going to persuade my mother to switch to an Android in a few months' time. And then recommend it to every friend of mine who's upgrading their phone, mentioning in passing that Apple has actually gotten Galaxy Nexuses and Tabs blocked in the US. I'm glad Android is actually good enough at this stage for me to do this. The '604 search patent is a big hot mess of ideas thrown together to cover all sorts…

There used to be plenty of search sites that were querying multiple search engines and showing a combined result set.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by rbanffy » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:45 AM UTC

aristidb wrote: post #9

So this actually _is_ about software patents this time, and clearly anti-innovation. I dare anybody to argue that the patent system as it is does not hinder innovation in software.

I don't think it's a software patent problem. But it is a ridiculous patent problem. Who could consider checking two databases is a significant innovation over consulting one.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by talentdeficit » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:47 AM UTC

notatoad wrote: post #30

raganwald wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? Let’s say I invent and patent carbon fibre and start making bicycles out of it. My bicycles are vastly superior to lightweight steel, aluminium, and scandium framed models on the market. Are my products terrible? Obviously not! Now my competitors rush out to make carbon fibre bicycles of their own. I sue. Am I…

Except that isn't what is happening here. If you wanted a bicycle metaphor, apple has invented a wonderful carbon fibre bicycle that everybody wants. Then, despite the fact that bicycles have existed for a hundred years, they got patents on things like "using levers to shift" and "building a frame out of tube-like structures". And now, every time somebody starts to make a bicycle that is even remotely competitive, th…

don't hate the playa, hate the game

none of these companies are leveraging truly novel patents in their lawsuits. few of these companies are even generating novel patents. they're all accumulating (likely bogus) patents to wield as a club against their competitors. the theory was mutual assured destruction would keep all parties in line but Intellectual Ventures pioneered tactical patent strikes that forced all players into an ever escalating cycle of violence. now they're all just scrambling trying to stay ahead. put simply, it's sue or be sued

it sucks, but until there's meaningful patent reform, it's how things are going to be

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by oemera » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:52 AM UTC

You are all way to biased about the whole thing. Thing about it. They just freaking copied Siri. Would you feel cool if someone else just copies your innovative product feature. Apple has all right to sue them and get them blocked.

You can hate my comment. You can down vote me. You can hate Apple as much as you like but all of you know before there was iPhone and iPad there was nothing close to any of it. So how can anyone say all other companies aren't copying? Eric Schmidt just stole every inch of the iPhone...

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by SoftwareMaven » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:53 AM UTC

jellicle wrote: post #102

raganwald wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are your products so terrible that you have to force people to buy them by preventing any other competition? Let’s say I invent and patent carbon fibre and start making bicycles out of it. My bicycles are vastly superior to lightweight steel, aluminium, and scandium framed models on the market. Are my products terrible? Obviously not! Now my competitors rush out to make carbon fibre bicycles of their own. I sue. Am I…

Skilled developers defending software patents is shameful. You should know better.

"Skilled developers" need to understand the system as it exists today or they will fail. Raganwald wasn't defending software patents; he was explaining the fallacious thinking in the parent's comment.

Software patents are a horrible joke, but to stick your fingers in your ears and shout "I can't hear you!!!" won't result in a positive outcome for your company. As much as it makes my stomach turn, I'm forced to consider the ramifications of patent and IP (especially now that it's first to file instead of first to innovate) nearly every day.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by tikhonj » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 3:54 AM UTC

gcb wrote: post #51

Hope you felt good upvoting all those articles stating how ridiculous patent law is FROM YOUR DAMN APPLE DEVICES Time to vote with your wallet is way overdue. And while you're at it may think about the Sony stuff you own.

Sony may be evil, but they're much less insidious than Apple. Why? Simple: Apple is, whether we like it or not, popular. Sony isn't. The real problem is not just Apple's behavior, but also how many people like them despite their behavior.

Of course, I won't claim any moral superiority here. While I don't have any Apple devices, it's not because of moral reasons but simply because I am genuinely unimpressed with their efforts. Overrated, over-hyped and fashionable, but never practical or optimal.

Re: Apple granted preliminary sales ban of Galaxy Nexus

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Post by SoftwareMaven » Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 4:01 AM UTC

ericdykstra wrote: post #40

Does this kind of thing make anyone happy? Does anyone feel better about Apple the company because of this? It would be nice if supposedly innovative companies could, you know, just keep innovating instead of worrying about copycats catching up on stale technology (in this case, I don't think it's even clear that there is any sort of copycat-like activity). Apple makes a few excellent products, but this kind of thing…

What if you are the innovative company and somebody is coming along and stealing every innovation you put in front of the market? Since they are one step behind, they don't have to spend money on the innovations that fail, thereby having much lower costs than you do?

This is much more complicated than "Dude, Apple are such duches. They can't think of anything new so they just sue everybody."

IP protection in the US (and world, thanks to treaties) is seriously messed up. Apple is aggressive, but it is naïve to think any large company wouldn't be (and small companies need to recognize that!).