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Post by Kye »

jart wrote: post #182
LordAtlas wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not the only Wordpress contributor banned from Slack for asking questions about the checkbox: * https://x.com/xwolf/status/1842548019289338346 * https://x.com/rmccue/status/1843967630585311595 * https://x.com/jonoalderson/status/1843985559745921046 * https://x.com/LinuxJedi/status/1843966957495939093 And from Javier's thread, Matt is gaslighting people by telling them to consult attorneys to decide the meaning o…

An "SEO Consultant"? You're using the word "contributor" very loosely.

Strange comment. The top WordPress plugin is focused on SEO.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by mthoms »

dylan604 wrote: post #159
inlined wrote: post #154

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Mom and pop are the consumers/victims here. And if 46% of all websites are WordPress, it’s probably likely that it has a monopoly on sites in its domain (e.g. blogging, commerce)

But nobody cares about blogging. At least not of the population block that not about to die off. Stories/Reels/meh are where attention is at now. Commerce? If it's not Amazon, it's nothing. After that for mom&pop shops would be Shopify/Etsy/otherNotSmallSites. Maybe FB Marketplace, Insta/TikTok type sales too. I honestly would be surprised if mom&pops are getting much from their own websites in today's world.

It's not just blogging. For example, the Whitehouse uses WordPress for its site. Nasa uses it on some of their sites as does the National Archives. On the commercial side you have The New Yorker, BBC America, Sony, Disney, Facebook and Bloomberg all using it in some capacity. There are many more of course, but that should give you an idea.

So, while you're right - online publishing doesn't have popular mindshare - it is a massive part of the online economy.

I'm not saying that qualifies WP for anti-trust investigation, but your underlying premise that WordPress is irrelevant is not congruent with reality.

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Post by FireBeyond »

bigiain wrote: post #167
mingus88 wrote: post #164

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The update issue doesn’t sound like a big deal. What’s stopping WP Engine from setting up their own mirror system? CentOS did this to Redhat for decades. They literally stripped out the trademarks and distributed the OS to anyone with no contracts at all. Patches were available same day that RH published them, and were applied from CentOS update servers. The endgame for WP seems to be that they give up this fight or…

WPEngine do have their own mirrors. This is what a test theme upgrade this morning tells me: Downloading update from https://theme-updates.wpengine.com/twentysixteen/twentysixte... The risk I need to address is what's stopping Matt denying WPE access to that place where all the plugins and themes are published? Where does plugin-updates.wpengine.com get its content from, and how soon is Matt gonna block that? And an…

> 1) the "WordPress community" that Matt thinks he's fighting for step up and tells him "No thanks, we absolutely do not want you to fight this fight" and removes him from power

The issue with this is that it absolutely will require a fork:

The WordPress Foundation President is Matt. There are only two other board members, only one of whom is active, and both were appointed by Matt unilaterally.

The WordPress Foundation (i.e. Matt) granted Automattic (i.e. Matt) an "exclusive, perpetual and irrevocable" license to Automattic re use of WordPress identity.

Wordpress.org is the exclusive property of Matt (although he has long played fast and loose here - just yesterday he was caught editing Automattic blog posts from referring erroneously to WP.org as a non-profit charity to 'a website that performs a community service').

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Post by nchmy »

everforward wrote: post #181
nchmy wrote: post #86

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That's obviously a lie. And one of his lawyers - the fool that he is - literally confirmed it earlier today in another thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41784343 "Despite our sometimes fervent wishes, lawyers don't control clients. We are not puppeteers"

I’m somewhat doubting that actually is his lawyer, though no one appears to be denying that it is. It just feels so very odd. Why would Matt’s lawyer care what people say here? He doesn’t have to convince of us anything. The PR folks would like to convince us of stuff and I wouldn’t be surprised if they showed up, but why legal? And what kind of lawyer says that about a client in an ongoing case on a public forum usi…

Just read the article that the guy wrote about the trademark and you'll have no choice but to conclude that he got his law degree from an internet college.

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Post by robertoandred »

stevenicr wrote: post #45
unstyledcontent wrote: post #23

Wow, might be time to fork the project.

project was forked a while back in a semi-big way (classicPress) and I was super excited about it. Some years later I believe the story I saw said that they had less than $200 / month being donated to the project to keep it going. Now I LOVE the idea of a wordpress minus gutenberg, with all the code quality and security updates and modern themes and plugins all working together.. Do I think this is legit going to be…

A WordPress fork without Gutenberg doesn't really work as an alternative for sites built in the last five years or so.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by everforward »

nchmy wrote: post #214
everforward wrote: post #181

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I’m somewhat doubting that actually is his lawyer, though no one appears to be denying that it is. It just feels so very odd. Why would Matt’s lawyer care what people say here? He doesn’t have to convince of us anything. The PR folks would like to convince us of stuff and I wouldn’t be surprised if they showed up, but why legal? And what kind of lawyer says that about a client in an ongoing case on a public forum usi…

Just read the article that the guy wrote about the trademark and you'll have no choice but to conclude that he got his law degree from an internet college.

The article is also far more PR-y than I would have expected; the only law-related item is basically just a very long explanation of consideration and an assertion that what they’ve done counts as consideration. I have no idea if it does or not, but putting a lawyers name at the top doesn’t convince me it’s correct any more than if PR wrote it.

The whole thing is strange, and I can’t figure out why anyone would tie their ship to Matt in this storm. He’s a liability not just to himself, but to everyone supporting him as his antics start to reflect on his supporters. Even if people did support his position, Matt is preventing them from doing so publicly without also looking insane.

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Post by anon7000 »

linotype wrote: post #171
rmbyrro wrote: post #142

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Yea, Wordpress has always been a nightmare... But it makes things so convenient and that's what most people care about.

Isn’t that a good thing to want though? Something easy to use if you only care about content?

I mean does it matter if whether it’s a good thing to want? WordPress powers 40% of the web because it was convenient, powerful, and easy for someone with basic web skills to hack around with. The same things that people complain about today made it so popular!

Besides, read-only file systems can be used to handle massive sites that need better security (like nasa.gov). And those types sites are either writing their own plugins or heavily auditing which plugins they use.

Re: Wordpress.org Login: "I am not affiliated with WP Engine in any way"

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Post by stevenicr »

robertoandred wrote: post #215
stevenicr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

project was forked a while back in a semi-big way (classicPress) and I was super excited about it. Some years later I believe the story I saw said that they had less than $200 / month being donated to the project to keep it going. Now I LOVE the idea of a wordpress minus gutenberg, with all the code quality and security updates and modern themes and plugins all working together.. Do I think this is legit going to be…

A WordPress fork without Gutenberg doesn't really work as an alternative for sites built in the last five years or so.

I'd like you to expand on reasons for this? I can think of a few for some cases..

However I have around 50 websites or so that are running just fine without Gutenberg.. and if you count the number of updates WP and plugins and themes have rolled out since Gutenberg and multiple that by 50, most of these updates have been an annoying use of time.

That being said, Gutenberg stuff today is pretty mature and I do recommend it and use it projects launched post 2024, partially because it's mature at this point, but not insignificantly because it is built into core.

I railed long ago that Matt and co should develop Gutenberg, but do it as an optional add-in.

I would still build sites today without it if it wasn't baked into core..

altough I will say that as of today, core gutenberg and default theme with FSE is a fine way to build,

it's different in many ways, sometimes confusing especially for those who are not used to navigating around FSE differently - but it can be decent to look at on the front end with default tools, and it's lean as far as size and page speed / load time (comparatively speaking).

But depending on the use case, and what tooling one may already have at hand, I still feel it could be fine to build without Gutenberg completely.. astra / spectra and stuff from brainstorm force for example would be decent to build with the past few years with not guten needed..

other page builders like siteorigin's were already doing most the things without the delays in development, and removal of standard long standing features like the menus screen and hiding the custom css option..

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Post by anon7000 »

awoimbee wrote: post #184
unsnap_biceps wrote: post #78

> Last week, Mullenweg announced that he’d given Automattic employees a buyout package, and 159 employees, or roughly 8.4 percent of staff, took the offer. “I feel much lighter,” he wrote. Wow, that's telling. 8.4% of his company decided he was acting in enough bad faith to quit without another job lined up in this economy? And he takes it as a good sign? Wow...

The offer was quite good honestly: people who left got a $30k buyout.

At least — or six months salary, which is higher (and even substantially higher) than $30k for I’d guess most people leaving
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