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Post by linotype »

rmbyrro wrote: post #142
johnklos wrote: post #117

The title literally made me laugh out loud. What drama! What intrigue! Can't wait to see what happens next. Honestly, I have no horse in the race, so to speak. I think the people responsible for Wordpress code still suck because they still, in 2024, want the software itself to be able to write to where the software itself lives and runs, which is just bananas. It violates the first two rules of anything and everythin…

Yea, Wordpress has always been a nightmare... But it makes things so convenient and that's what most people care about.

Isn’t that a good thing to want though? Something easy to use if you only care about content?

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Post by dylan604 »

unsnap_biceps wrote: post #168
dylan604 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? I don't know Matt, but it sounds just like Musk forcing his feeds to the top of everyone, or everyone forced to being Tom's friend.

I think the key difference is that Twitter or MySpace wasn't GPL software. Matt is complaining that someone modified "his" GPL software, as the license he's using grants them the privilege to do.

I was referring to the admin news portion being forced upon everyone, not the state of code availability

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Post by [deleted] »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #147
pluc wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already made their argument: WordPress.org has nothing to do with WordPress, Automattic or the WordPress Foundation. It's owned and operated by Matt privately solely out of the kindness of his heart and his love for open-source.

Who is paying the WP.org hosting bills? Is that coming from Matt? The Foundation? Automatic?

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Post by nsonha »

bigiain wrote: post #135
Zak wrote: post #99

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The nice thing is it's GPL, so the founder/owner can't just take his ball and go home. It's also widely-used/important enough that it will get forked if leadership problems start to make it unusable for too many people.

The problem though, for people who want to use WordPress, is that WP sites fundamentally rely on wordpress.org for downloading and installing plugins and themes, and critically for security updates to plugins and themes. (You can install/update manually, but the standard admin dashbord is set up to make wordpress.org integration by far the best way to do so.) Yeah, you've got your GPL copy of all the source code. But…

Is the plugin repo open source? If so then similar to VS Code, the community can spin up their own marketplace.

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Post by gradientsrneat »

dylan604 wrote: post #90

This whole bit of drama really makes me glad I never invested time/energy in WordPress. It's like Real Housewives of Computer Nerds level of whining, and feels just as fake. Regardless of right/wrong, the whole thing has just turned into a 80s made for TV type of situation. There was a much better way at handling this, but somebody had access to social media and the wheels promptly fell off.

> feels just as fake

I suspect some of the controversy is fake. I've heard one of the previous 404 articles, alleging Wordpress training AI on self-hosted Wordpress sites, is fake according a semi-trustworthy source.

Speaking based on my gut feeling, the fact that so many low-caliber Wordpress controversy articles are all arising in quick succession seems odd to me. Some allegations seem credible, but I question to what degree they are newsworthy, given all the other scummier things corporations and institutions do these days. Perhaps now that Wordpress and Tumblr are owned by the same company, Wordpress is now seen as a more valuable target to attack.

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Post by FireBeyond »

dylan604 wrote: post #162
FireBeyond wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Matt is also on record criticizing WP Engine for never having donated to the WordPress Foundation. Donate, perhaps. Sponsor? The Foundation event where Matt "went nuclear" last month was sponsored by WP Engine to the tune of $75,000. And was one of many donations this year. (Adding insult to injury, the "independent" Foundation banned WP Engine from attending the event they were sponsoring... because they were in d…

There's a difference between sponsoring an event and donating to the operations of the core project. I know nothing about the specifics on the event, but I've done events where $75,000 would almost cover the cost of the stage. I've also seen events where the cost of the event was covered by sponsors many times over.

There is. But Matt's BS "They've done nothing for WordPress but leech and freeload and give back nothing to the community" is patently false.

Don't even start me on how "President of the WordPress Foundation, Matt Mullenweg", accepted their sponsorship check and then disinvited them from the event because they were in a conflict with "President of Automattic, Matt Mullenweg", and wouldn't even return the sponsorship check. In essence, if nothing else, that makes it a donation, because they sponsored the event, but got nothing for their sponsorship except knowing they... uhh... contributed to the community.

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Post by aedis »

LordAtlas wrote: post #58
JimDabell wrote: post #19

There’s a thread on X here with screenshots of the WordPress Slack, where Mullenweg seems deliberately vague when people ask him what counts as “affiliated in any way”. It seems like he wants to spread Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt about what can get you banned. People who have been asking him awkward questions in the Slack have started to get banned from there as well. https://x.com/javiercasares/status/1843963052183…

He's not the only Wordpress contributor banned from Slack for asking questions about the checkbox: * https://x.com/xwolf/status/1842548019289338346 * https://x.com/rmccue/status/1843967630585311595 * https://x.com/jonoalderson/status/1843985559745921046 * https://x.com/LinuxJedi/status/1843966957495939093 And from Javier's thread, Matt is gaslighting people by telling them to consult attorneys to decide the meaning o…

Somebody should that video for Matt where slaps everyone - https://youtu.be/hHZvUeAdzeI?si=4TDBHjwCyK4BnijP

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Post by jart »

FireBeyond wrote: post #53
jart wrote: post #41

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WPE is the most profitable business in the WordPress space, and they haven't changed a single line of code in WordPress or so much as contributed a dime. So if you're eager to volunteer to be their free labor, be my guest.

That is absolutely and factually incorrect. Several of the most popular plugins are maintained by WPEngine. WPEngine donates/sponsors hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to WordPress community events. Indeed, the convention where Matt went "nuclear" was sponsored by WPE to the tune of $75,000 (and despite these all being supposedly independent entities, somehow WPE was banned from attending by the Foundation. No…

I bet you those are sales / networking events and a WordPress software developer wasn't invited to a single one.
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