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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by commandlinefan »

atcognizant wrote: post #242

Some of favorite coworkers have been from India during my career. This includes both their personalities as I got to know them and their demeanor at work. I have worked at Cognizant for just over a year. Though we don't have this problem on my immediate team, it is something we talk about because it's obvious in other teams and as an overall culture at the company. It doesn't seem like overt discrimination (from me a…

> Some of favorite coworkers have been from India

Mine, too. Some of my least favorite coworkers have been from India as well. Mostly because almost all of my coworkers have been from India since about 1997.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by dartharva »

Eumenes wrote: post #66

This is obvious at a number of these big box consulting firms for many years (Tata, Cognizant, HCL, Capgemini). Its so easy to verify too - go on linkedin and comb through dozens of search results of exclusively Indians (I'm not talking about American-Indians who go to undergrad in the US like every other person). These firms also take a lions share of the h1b visas which is another conversation - why does India get…

If only H1Bs were given out in an auction instead of a lottery..

Think about it, this could solve everything. There would no longer be exploitation on either side.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by jansan »

Lutzb wrote: post #375
jansan wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, electricity consumption has fallen quite a bit, because energy intensive industries (like chemical industry) already left the country. Energy prices are still high (not as high as 2022) and they would probably be much higher if those industries were still there. Unfortunately there is little reason to invest in Germany at the moment. It will get worse(they are already announcing an increase in health insurance…

Do you have any numbers regarding companies that have left Germany because of energy costs?

No, but news are everywhere if you open your eyes.

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/industrie/basf-chem...

https://www.electrive.net/2023/05/23/volkswagen-streicht-woh...

https://www.chemietechnik.de/markt/lanxess-spart-und-schlies...

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by commandlinefan »

ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

> Indian jokes

Now I want to hear an Indian joke.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by raincom »

dartharva wrote: post #280

The waitlist for Indians to get a green card (i.e. second-class citizenship) is 134 years currently. By the end of this decade, it will touch 200. No regular Indian going on a work visa to the US currently has any significant scope of ever being recognized a citizen. Think of that what you will, but the list of incentives an Indian has to bother integrating into American society is rather short.

Produce kids on American soil. These kids can sponsor parents once a kid reaches 18 years of age.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by commandlinefan »

eru wrote: post #188

Since there's a lot of negativity about Indians in the comments here: I just worked for a startup with many Indians (including the founder). It was all fine, and I liked my coworkers. I can understand that other people had different experiences: companies and people differ. For context, everything was remote, and I worked from Singapore. I'm not India, but I do like to prepone my meetings.

> a lot of negativity about Indians

There isn't, though. There's a lot of negativity about _H1B_s in the comments here, but you conflate that with Indian.

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Post by skeaker »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #163
ethbr1 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not the restaurant or jokes, but whether business decisions are made there (or if relationships built there drive business decisions).

Sure, but Americans have been doing this for hundreds of years through exclusionary hobbies like golf, fantasy football, and a hundred other things. That's just how social groups work. They are often cliquey and exclusionary. That's why I think it's weird to only target Indians in this regard. They are building an in-group just like everyone else ; the difference is that OP seems to have little experience not being p…

Other groups doing this too doesn't make it okay. Nobody should be forming exclusionary groups where all the shots are called and business decisions are made.

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Post by pvaldes »

1over137 wrote: post #111
quadrifoliate wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US, and I don't see a reasonable basis f…

>Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US... The word Hispanic comes from Hispania meaning "Iberian Peninsula", which, I have news for you, is in Europe. They are hardly native to the USA either.

Hispanic was initially just a way to tag the white non-protestant. Currently is a loose box to include a mix of Mediterranean, African and American natives. Some of this people definitely have American natives on their family lines and other are not even related with Europeans or not much.

When Hispanic mix with Irish, or English, or French or North European, they are simply called "white". A lot of Spaniards are as much "white" in their aspect as one could ask for. They are just labeled as "non white" for outdated reasons but people always chuckle about it. Is just silly.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by dang »

commandlinefan wrote: post #386
eru wrote: post #188

Since there's a lot of negativity about Indians in the comments here: I just worked for a startup with many Indians (including the founder). It was all fine, and I liked my coworkers. I can understand that other people had different experiences: companies and people differ. For context, everything was remote, and I worked from Singapore. I'm not India, but I do like to prepone my meetings.

> a lot of negativity about Indians There isn't, though. There's a lot of negativity about _H1B_s in the comments here, but you conflate that with Indian.

There was, unfortunately, but most of it has since been (correctly) flagged.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by JohnBrookz »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #202
JohnBrookz wrote: post #44

This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked…

> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I wo…

I have no idea what they were talking about. For all I know they could have been talking about soccer.
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