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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by lazide »

dartharva wrote: post #288
lazide wrote: post #272

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So you say, but history has shown that if groups don’t exist to allow easy discrimination, they will be created to allow such discrimination. So it’s a good sign of long, well established, and ingrained discrimination, eh? With associated infrastructure to make it easier to continue, and ‘fairer’ in that it allows almost everyone to have someone under them to take their own angst out on. (Except those ‘outside the sy…

> So you say, but history has shown that if groups don’t exist to allow easy discrimination, they will be created to allow such discrimination. Yes, that's what I am saying. In- and out-groups are made contextually in each unique situation. > So it’s a good sign of long, well established, and ingrained discrimination, eh? With associated infrastructure to make it easier to continue, and ‘fairer’ in that it allows alm…

Can’t understand, or refuse to understand?

Why create new groups when you have proven and well trod ones handy to choose from?

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Post by chucksta »

hshshshsvsv wrote: post #285
navigate8310 wrote: post #282

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Generalizing everyone from a region/group with some negative trait is racisam. If your brain try to label me as someone who practice caste system because you think I am from India is lazy/stupid computation and racism. Actually vast majority of the Indians suffer from negative consequences of Castisam since they are supposed to be lower classes and society descrimated against them historically. They want equality mor…

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Post by Rinzler89 »

jl6 wrote: post #295

The worst HR case I ever got involved in was a semi-onshore (Indian) development team who couldn't deal with having a female (Indian) tech lead. She was eminently qualified for the role, but they would attempt to undermine her at every turn, speak over her, hold meetings without her, always going over her head... Caste did not appear to be a factor; it seemed to be good old fashioned sexism.

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Post by miningape »

sourcepluck wrote: post #217
the_gorilla wrote: post #177

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American States have their own culture and identity. The ideals of America was never being an economic zone to house the entire third world, who think the only utility of a state should be to fly over it.

Are you aware that the US ranks below Romania, Belarus, Serbia, Cuba and Thailand on the UN's sustainable development report from 2024? It might be appropriate to update your picture of the place to reflect the reality. Your views here seem to be predicated on some notion of the US as a place the entire "third world" wants to move to - perhaps you should consider the fact that it's not really top of everyone's list a…

> Are you aware that the US ranks below Romania, Belarus, Serbia, Cuba and Thailand on the UN's sustainable development report from 2024?

Are you aware of how shit of a metric that is? It's literally the %age of GDP spent on sustainable energy, so the US could still be spending more than all those countries combined and still have a lower %age.

Let's also not forget who gives out the loans for sustainable development, and who sets up the economic incentives.

This is also the equivalent of saying "You're much less likely to get robbed in Africa, they have a faster declining crime rate than Europe." As a baseline Europe is safer and it's therefore harder to decrease the crime rate further[0]. Going from 100 murders a day to 89 is not better than going from 10 to 9.

[0] I made up this example - no clue if it's true

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by thunkshift1 »

rsanek wrote: post #323
wslh wrote: post #299

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Genuinely asking as someone not deeply familiar with the complexities of Indian culture: India now has the largest population in the world, is the biggest democracy, and has significant potential for growth (e.g. reducing poverty). At the same time, we see Indian leaders in top positions in major U.S. companies, like the CEOs of Google (1st gen) and Microsoft (2nd gen). How do these factors all connect? What drives t…

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No more than usa’s

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by Rinzler89 »

Eumenes wrote: post #310
kamaal wrote: post #305

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1. India has a low gdp per capita. What that means is quality of life for masses is low. That also means slum/ghetto like neighbourhoods. Even if you have the money you mostly stay in a gated community, sandwiched between those areas. So you want to leave ASAP and stay in the west. 2. The Indians in top leadership positions you see in tech firms are rare exceptions. To some extent they also come from fairly well off…

The Indians migrating to the US via h1b visas are not coming from the slums or ghettoes. Higher education to foreigners in the US is essentially an immigration scheme - they pay $60-$100k (+living expenses) for a useless graduate degree which only the rich can afford, then get funneled into consulting firms like Cognizant/Infosys on OPT/EAD visas before picking up their h1b for ~ 6 years. This pretty much gets you in…

>recruiting/HR department no longer considered Asians of any ethnicity a minority and lumped them in with white males.

Why does HR even need to keep track of ethnicities? Is this a US thing?

Here in my EU country you're just employee/applicant #3215, that's it, nobody asks or enters your ethnicity anywhere to even be able to keep tabs on how many are of what ethnicity, since everyone is considered equal by default and judged exclusively on performance (in theory at least, in practice there are still biases, but tracking ethnicities won't fix that, since that's human nature).

What you're saying would even be against the law here since then it opens the door to bias and potential discrimination.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by sourcepluck »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #220
sourcepluck wrote: post #198

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Here's the relevant quote from the wikipedia that you're misusing: > The origins of the phrases and the attitudes of their supposed users are a source of debate in American culture; the terms are often regarded as pejoratives, but are sometimes "reclaimed" and used defensively.[1] So no, it is not "obviously derogatory", and the link does not say that.

I'd identify it as self deprecation as a form of social ingratiation, just have to be careful with that as self deprecation can go beyond the boundary of self.

That's a possibility. Here are other possibilities - the US resident who originally commented may have been:

- unaware of the phrase's derogatory meaning - aware, but relishing it, as they resent the state and don't like living there - aware, but they think the word has a useful non-derogatory use - aware, and has no strong opinion either way

All things which in reality would be legitimate in various circumstances. Speculating in the first place seems silly to me, and only started because one commenter apparently didn't like the idea of a non-US native having a negative opinion about the US so much that they are (pardon my bluntness) a bit overly sensitive on the issue.

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Post by RestlessMind »

lupusreal wrote: post #320
hshshshsvsv wrote: post #270

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I've never seen let alone worked in a team that only had white people. Not once. I've never seen nor heard of a team that only had Japanese or Koreans or Russians or any other singular group except two: Chinese and Indians. These two groups have a unique tendency to form ethnically exclusive teams at companies and get away with it.

I have seen exclusively white people teams, especially at smaller startups. They were all Americans though, so not much diversity of nationalities.

Given that China and India are countries with 1.4B population, no surprise that one can find enough people to form exclusively Chinese (or Indian) teams. Another factor is that people from other backgrounds do not want to join such teams even if the hiring manager makes them an offer. When I was at a FAANG, my team composition slowly drifted towards only Chinese and Indian, as people from other backgrounds left in 6-12 months after an Indian manager came in.

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