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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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> Yeah, and I'd expect that treatment as a white person working/living in India, and I would adapt to fit in with local customs / culture. But they are in the US, working for a US company - why is it somehow acceptable when you are a foreigner to create these isolated professional enclaves that exclude the "native" population? Non-Hispanic white Americans are not native to the US, and I don't see a reasonable basis f…

Actually Whites have as much if not more claims to North America than any other group; there’s multiple times that they came to NA, including the Solutreans of about 12000 years ago: https://insider.si.edu/2012/03/ice-age-mariners-from-europe-... ; plus the Viking settlement of 1021; plus the more recent fact of the USA being settled and turning wildernesses into the agricultural and technological powerhouse of today…

That’s funny I don’t see anything about this in the constitution

Also, weren’t Solutreans brown skinned?

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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The comments on this story are very interesting - not in the good way. This rhetoric is very similar to previous ones that existed in over the decades like Jewish/Polish/Chinese/etc people only doing business with other people of their groups. Or democrats/republicans in deep blue/red states sticking with their own. Back to the topic: I know a lot of 2nd, 3rd generation Indians who definitely do not fit the stereotyp…

I think it's offloading well known problematic companies issues like Cognizant onto nationality.

It's the nature of service that WITCH prefers to provide and puts people in position where it's hard to change it, and the executives who contract with WITCH.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Wow, ok. So that kind of idea is really completely new, so it can't be valid? I think it's pretty easy to go learn the spectrum of DEI. The world is generally run with gatekeeping, which means withholding access to opportunity to improve one's life to a selected group for a long time. It's possible that your country may codify gatekeeping and privilege, and the only way they may know how is to do the same thing in th…

> Wow, ok. So that kind of idea is really completely new, so it can't be valid? Theoretically it could be, but you should be aware if your argument directly contradicts years of other people advocating for DEI. The idea being sold isn't "we need jobs to be more merit based" but "we don't have enough merit and have to discriminate". > It's possible that your country may codify gatekeeping and privilege, and the only w…

Thanks for sharing.

Your country, explicitly codifies race based tracking in universities, long before this DEI wave. It's so incredibly wack. Other countries have better language to identify anything unique and under-represented, and maybe are less awkward but still awkward at it.

Historically, the creation of places of higher learning in the US were not created for women to be accepted, let alone people of color.

It's helpful to take a more historical look at how those pesky college application forms got the checkboxes they did, and how they were added at the moments of change in the particular decade. Imagine all the people who don't get counted.

What kind of system names an entire group of people a whole continent like Asia? :)

There is historical merit to people not being counted... not counting... or existing.. or qualifying as human enough to vote.

When it comes to data.. what gets measured, gets managed.. and maybe some of the wording of what got measured had some unconscious bias.

It's also not about whataboutism seeking a perfect solution to undermine change that is trying to be better for more people.

I have some international experience in the academic industry and student data collection, management, etc. Race based data in the US always stands out compared to other countries.

While it's true that disadvantaged children regardless of background can have similar challenges, its no contest that people of color experience it so very much more.

Discrimination starts with the contract that there is a privileged contract place prior to it being adjusted for said offence.

There are awful references to suggesting people of color "work harder" .. maybe that is advice for everyone?

I'm not going to participate in taking shots at any one group of students, especially black students who are way more disadvantaged per capita than any other.

About the med-school link - isn't it a little dated (and risking a stereotype) to believe that the best grades are the only thing important about getting into med school? Great doctors are well rounded people who connect with and help all walks of life - understanding people is a key skill beyond maniacal memorization and regurgitation for years of study to only stop and impossibly be behind research after graduation.

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Generalizing everyone from a region/group with some negative trait is racisam.

If your brain try to label me as someone who practice caste system because you think I am from India is lazy/stupid computation and racism.

Actually vast majority of the Indians suffer from negative consequences of Castisam since they are supposed to be lower classes and society descrimated against them historically.

They want equality more than probably anyone you know of.

Indian constitution has done a lot for eliminating this. But there is a lot of cultural baggage that needs cleanup.

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The waitlist for Indians to get a green card (i.e. second-class citizenship) is 134 years currently. By the end of this decade, it will touch 200. No regular Indian going on a work visa to the US currently has any significant scope of ever being recognized a citizen. Think of that what you will, but the list of incentives an Indian has to bother integrating into American society is rather short.

Cognizant, Infosys, etc. are also quite well known to avoid putting their H1B (or equivalent) in position to consider staying or have opportunity to stay.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked…

Safe to say that 2010 was the beginning of Intel's downfall

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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All discrimination is contextual and local. The number of groups has nothing to do with it.

So you say, but history has shown that if groups don’t exist to allow easy discrimination, they will be created to allow such discrimination. So it’s a good sign of long, well established, and ingrained discrimination, eh? With associated infrastructure to make it easier to continue, and ‘fairer’ in that it allows almost everyone to have someone under them to take their own angst out on. (Except those ‘outside the sy…

> So you say, but history has shown that if groups don’t exist to allow easy discrimination, they will be created to allow such discrimination.

Yes, that's what I am saying. In- and out-groups are made contextually in each unique situation.

> So it’s a good sign of long, well established, and ingrained discrimination, eh? With associated infrastructure to make it easier to continue, and ‘fairer’ in that it allows almost everyone to have someone under them to take their own angst out on. (Except those ‘outside the system’ anyway, which historically were the Dalits, but now even they are in the system eh?)

Can't understand what you're trying to say here.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Actually you'll find that this happens a lot. Search up expat communities, for example. They don't necessarily "impose their culture and exclude locals", but they are for and by the expats from a certain country. Seeking "your" people when living/working abroad, or when working in a diverse workspace, is pretty normal and happens everywhere. It's usually harmless though.

Brits living in Spain is a classic example

Brits living anywhere outside of Britain is a classic example - exemplified by the clubs and societies formed around the world when the sun didn't set in/on their empire.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both). He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it. (I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding elect…

> since he is far more competent in foreign policy The guy foreign leaders call the "laughing fool"? > the economy will improve. Trump's plans would cause the economy to shrink by 10% and cause 28% inflation, according to independent analysis. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-ec...

The world was far more stable in 2016-2020. It does not matter what someone is called. Just watch what actually happens and overlook all the talk (we might as well explore what Harris is called; I think the attribute is "cackling" and not "laughing").

The NYT is not unbiased when it comes to Trump and none of these plans will be implemented. Again, the economy was good in 2016-2020.

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