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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by elisharobinson »

Some of the reasons why this is happening :

-> Getting an assignment in the US is viewed as a reward for employees who work in the company for 5+ years.

-> H1B visa employess are given a 50% minimum discount to market rate. cause lol what are you gonna do . Quit and go back in the Queue for H1B.

-> nepotism / favoritism self explanatory.

-> Are more willing to work 40+ hours a week. Less likely to take vacations.

These are the observations of myself and members of my family who are from India.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by AStonesThrow »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #73
ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

> Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restaurants during lunch break, so now most of the colleagues follow suit, how to stop it all? Are you seriously asking how to "fight back" on Indians going to restaurants and joking with each other? As an Indian in a flyover state who has been routinely excluded from golfing events, and had my d…

> this is sort of darkly funny to read.

I'm hopeful that some light will be shed on how ridiculously dystopian it is to force D.I.E. mandates with posters like "United Colours of Benetton" as if "All Men/Women/Etc Are Created In Test Tubes Equivalent And Interchangeable" and we Voters of American Progressive Enlightenment must lobby to crush out every aspect of culture that suggests otherwise.

https://youtu.be/vvDYuj1Bs6Y?si=sodV00r3eefBoZ79 Harrison Bergeron for ya

So it goes. Namaste.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by mr90210 »

hshshshsvsv wrote: post #170

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You are oversimplifying it:

NBA - Physical attributes do matter a lot. NBAs management, team owners, coaches tend to be non-Black.

Nobel prize - Perhaps because a good chunk of Jews tend to be into academia and research life.

I cannot comment on sales/marketing/real estate in US as I don’t live there but I’d like to believe that isn’t an active effort to keep non-whites out of these areas.

All of those things are completely different from being actively left out of meetings just because you aren’t an Indian.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

newaccount321 wrote: post #84
seper8 wrote: post #11

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Western countries aren't strong or desirable because of narrow minded monotheistic religion.

Every culture has some good and bad traits. Ideally immigration makes us all better as we learn from one another. Isolated cultures tend to become stagnant and weaker over time.

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Post by swasheck »

zozbot234 wrote: post #196
39896880 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be fixating on the term "fight back," when the commenter you're replying to is asking for ways to not feel excluded at his/her job, where s/he spends a majority of his/her waking hours. As someone who has experienced this, I encourage you to draw on that experience and have empathy, even if that experience is expressed in ways that don't immediately resonate with you. You have more in common with the comm…

> [looking] for ways to not feel excluded at his/her job, where s/he spends a majority of his/her waking hours. And the people GP is talking about are trying to do the exact same thing, though obviously in highly detrimental ways. Part of professionalism entails not making your job into an identity that overwhelms every other aspect of your life. If you just focus on delivering good results to the best of your abilit…

this is fascinating to me because it’s how i have handled my career and it’s had unexpected positive and negative effects. all-in-all i’m more satisfied than my friend group with my day to day work existence but am steps behind them in the traditional career path milestones. though i lack the titles they have, i’m squarely median when it comes to annual base income, which is comfortable and provides very well for my family. however, i’m beginning to age and realize that potential employers are beginning to balk at my title/“informal” leadership (read “experience”) with my age and salary and duration in the workforce.

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Post by noisy_boy »

didgeoridoo wrote: post #201
ewuhic wrote: post #54

How to fight back when you see this happening at line management level, but not yet proliferated to upper management? Indian product owner taking mostly to Indian peer developers, bypassing normal communication channels. Indians being friendly with each other and stone cold with the rest. Indians bringing Indian jokes to the table, with no outsider hoping to understand these. Indians bonding to go to Indian restauran…

I’ve actually had a very different experience — including in my interactions with Cognizant as a vendor. Indian managers acting utterly cruel and abusive to Indian line workers (especially remote or H1B), while being generally kind and accommodating to non-Indian team members. Maybe there was a class/caste thing at play that was totally opaque to me. It was an extremely uncomfortable environment to work in.

Tribalism and slave mentality can coexist.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #202
JohnBrookz wrote: post #44

This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked…

> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I wo…

I have many Indian colleagues and they do tend not to speak English among them in the office. There needs to be someone else involved in the conversation for them to stick to English.

Another aspect is that I have found that they are quite hierarchical, probably a cultural trait. So how much they stick to English also depends on how senior the "non-Indian(s)" are compared to them. If you are their senior they are very nice.

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Post by rcbaF »

dopylitty wrote: post #210
JohnBrookz wrote: post #44

This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked…

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Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both).

He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it.

(I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding election talk.)

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Post by consp »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #180
mattmaroon wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An Indian person can spot a Pakistani (and vice versa) easily. There’s a good bit of historical enmity between the two nations.

Does this apply to castes as well? I mean in western Europe you can often pick out the classism based on how people dress, have their hair and what their accent is (I'm very obvious because of my "provincial" accent and terrible sense of style, lol). Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though, unless you're from the old aristocracies (they live in certain areas, go to private schools, often have archaic letter…

> Classism in the Netherlands isn't too bad though

Wait until they figure out you earn less than them. "You cannot understand [rich people bs 'struggle']" I've had the misfortune of hearing over and over again, them showing a complete lack of any form of empathy for anyone except their own class.

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