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Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#101

Post by Tepix »

desdenova wrote: post #3

I wish it was feasible to have alternative mobile systems, but it's not really. You can't simply give up every popular app for a system nobody else uses or develops for. Sailfish has Android emulation, but good luck running banking apps without Google SafetyNet. Even pure Android ROMs, like LineageOS, can't do that. Also good luck with proprietary firmware for mobile networking and cameras. Another thing that usually…

> You can't simply give up every popular app for a system nobody else uses or develops for.

Perhaps the solution for such a phone is to make PWAs feasible for every kind of app?

I guess it would need a few essential built-in apps (something like an Apple Health analog) but hopefully the rest could be web apps with extra privileges, if needed and approved by the user.

Is geofencing already possible with PWAs? I.e. location based events? If not, that would also have to be a builtin (helper) app.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#102

Post by izacus »

Tor3 wrote: post #85
fuomag9 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Europe you cannot login to bank websites without the bank app on your phone for 2FA codes

Europe is not one single country, and for me that statement is 100% untrue.

The banking regulation is usually introduced across whole EU and this includes new recommendation to phase out 2FA via SMS.

Not all countries have caught up yet, but you can expect that to change within a few years.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#103

Post by fractallyte »

izacus wrote: post #82
NotPractical wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the EU attempts to invade your privacy using smartphones [1] and forces duopoly-brand smartphones upon its citizens, yet it fails to compel Apple to allow true sideloading, so you're stuck choosing between "no freedom but some privacy" or "no privacy but some freedom"? Their digital policy initiatives overall seem like a net loss for EU citizens as it stands. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/19/24181214/eu-chat…

You really had to stretch a lot of bullshit just to rant over chat control here, didn't you?

The point is that we're being forced into a duopoly, which is unacceptable.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#104

Post by transpute »

With DIY effort, Blackberry keyboard fans can attach a BB Q10 keyboard to modern phones, https://liliputing.com/fairberry-lets-you-attach-a-blackberr... & https://github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry

There's also the HackBerry cyberdeck with Pi Zero 2W and original BB keyboard, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41138701 & https://github.com/ZitaoTech/Hackberry-Pi_Zero

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#105

Post by fractallyte »

BoredPositron wrote: post #16
getwiththeprog wrote: post #2

Does anyone use or have feedback on Sailfish?

Not great, not terrible. The android support is hit and miss and the official store is mostly full of junk. Their SDK is rudimentary and there is close to no documentation. After they signed a deal with the russian state I gave up on them. I am on Plasma now which has an overall better experience.

The deal with Russia is finished. Jolla is free of all Russian ownership now.

https://www.is.fi/taloussanomat/art-2000010451277.html

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#106

Post by Tor3 »

izacus wrote: post #102
Tor3 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is not one single country, and for me that statement is 100% untrue.

The banking regulation is usually introduced across whole EU and this includes new recommendation to phase out 2FA via SMS. Not all countries have caught up yet, but you can expect that to change within a few years.

That's not really the point. The 2FA I use isn't via SMS, and never was.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#107

Post by Tor3 »

gbraad wrote: post #96
Tor3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using an Xperia 10 III w/Sailfish now, but honestly I liked the Jolla phone I had previously much better. Unfortunately the latter eventually developed an electrical glitch which made it useless and I had to replace it. The Xperia is way way too long, and with other physical things I don't like - but that was the only option if I wanted full Android support (as I had with the Jolla phone). And it doesn't handle t…

what broke on the Jolla phone?

It would lose power suddenly, and restart. Battery was fine (replaceable), so it looked like a glitch somewhere in the electronics. But I used it for many years until then (had to give it up this spring).

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#108

Post by ZuLuuuuuu »

rickdeckard wrote: post #94
bsimpson wrote: post #57

Did something happen that made Sailfish relevant again? Surprised to see it on the front page today. It's unfortunate that they're taking a closed source model when others like System76 and Librem are using their hardware sales to fund open source development. There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, and the Maui project which is basicall…

> There's also webOS, which was originally funded by Palm and doesn't seem to have any open source development any longer, After a short stint at HP, webOS is now owned by LG, they use it as the OS for their Home Entertainment (TVs, projectors,...) and nowadays also as an Automotive OS platform. Open Source: https://www.webosose.org/

I cannot get pass the cookie screen without "accept all". I cannot find "accept selected" or something like that.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#109

Post by Doctor_Fegg »

izacus wrote: post #102
Tor3 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is not one single country, and for me that statement is 100% untrue.

The banking regulation is usually introduced across whole EU and this includes new recommendation to phase out 2FA via SMS. Not all countries have caught up yet, but you can expect that to change within a few years.

Which doesn't preclude hardware keypads, which British banks have been issuing for at least 15 years now.

Re: Sailfish Mobile OS

#110

Post by SanjayMehta »

gbraad wrote: post #51
SanjayMehta wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two Jolla phones left over from when they launched in India, years ago. I vaguely remember there was an India specific phone running Sailfish as well, but by that time my company was no longer working with mobile applications. We ported several proprietary telco Linux tools to Jolla but it turned out using a laptop with a 3G dongle was more convenient than a tiny low res screen (big surprise). I’m not sure why…

Yep, economics. They used to even have their own phone, but soon moved to repurposing Xperia devices. Not sure if there was a relation between Ericsson and Jolla employees, but this would not amaze me. Note: I have worked a lot on MeeGo and Maemo before this. I only had Sailfish running on my N950s, so can't judge the final devices. Wish I could ...

I believe they were mostly Nokia employees from the Maemo group who “escaped in a dinghy” hence “Jolla.”

Frankly I’m surprised that they have survived this long.

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