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Post by bamboozled »

bitbasher wrote: post #399

If social media was the scourge of the last decade, the next decade's scourge will be artificial content. Digital minimalism is looking more and more attractive.

Sitting in my workshop drinking a cup of tea on a break from making some new saw horses and reading these comments. I’m just so grateful I can do something with my hands, I’m delighted, couldn’t be happier.

If the world ends tomorrow. I’m ok so long as I’m not wasting it on Instagram shit post filled with fake content when it goes down.

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baxtr wrote: post #437
intended wrote: post #332

Man, everyone is happy with these advancements, and they are impressive. I’m here looking at users and wondering - the content pipelines are broader, but the exit points of attention and human brains are constant. How the heck are you supposed to know if your content is valid? During a recent apple event, someone on YT had an AI generated video of Tim Cook announcing a crypto collaboration; it had a 100k users before…

If this was true, why haven’t we seen it with manipulated pictures? Maybe I’m not well informed but there seem to be no example for the issues you describe with photos. I believe it’s actually worse than you think. People believe in narratives, in stories, in ideas. These spread. It has been like this forever. Text, pictures, videos are merely ways to proliferate narratives. We dismiss even clear evidence if it doesn…

We have seen it with manipulation of pictures.

Hell - look of the fate of the rest of the world online. They’re basically thrown to the fucking wolves.

Minorities are lynched around the world after viral forwards. Autocrats are stronger than ever and authoritarian regimes have flourished like never before.

Trust and safety tools are vastly stronger for English than any other language. See the language resource gap (lost in translation, Nicholas and Bhatia)

In America, the political divide has reached levels unimaginable. People live in entirely different realities.

Images from democrats sides are dismissed as faked and lies take so long to discredit that the issue has passed on, tiring fact checkers and the public.

The original fake news problem of Romanian advert farms focused entirely on conservative citizens.

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coldcode wrote: post #354
intended wrote: post #332

Man, everyone is happy with these advancements, and they are impressive. I’m here looking at users and wondering - the content pipelines are broader, but the exit points of attention and human brains are constant. How the heck are you supposed to know if your content is valid? During a recent apple event, someone on YT had an AI generated video of Tim Cook announcing a crypto collaboration; it had a 100k users before…

Also, cost. How many do you have to generate to get something you want? Does it take 1 or a 100 attempts to get something reasonable, and what does it cost for each attempt? Might not affect Hollywood, but someone has to pay for this to be profitable for Meta. How many 5-Gigawatt power stations will be required (what OpenAI wants to build all over the country) if lots of people use this?

Hopefully this becomes the limiting factor, however generating more power isn’t that hard - and it doesn’t solve the rate of production issue.

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Post by mlboss »

WhyOhWhyQ wrote: post #697
mlboss wrote: post #688

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It is easy to do really creative work now but it is even easier to just browse instagram or tiktok. The real winner in the new world will be people with discipline who can use these tech to create stuff without too much capital or resources.

Why would anybody create stuff that the AI companies are just going to instantly subsume and reproduce far more cheaply? There is not going to be a meaningful economy based on creativity in the next 50 years, any more than there is one now. And then it is going to be far worse. The actual "winners" are just going to be the people who through arbitrary processes like fortunate birth or lucky circumstances are granted…

That is a very pessimistic take. In my opinion things are much more accessible now. Nobody cares about your background on internet as long as you can provide value.

For example, you can build a wrapper over an LLM focussed on a niche this weekend(using cursor/copilot) and launch it over twitter. It is very much possible with the tools we have. If you market it hard and provide value consumers will line up. This kind of power was not available 50 years back.

Things are easier if you want to hit big. But also it is easy to just be a consumer of media and social media. Depends on which side of the algorithm you are.

Also it does not help to think like a victim of your circumstances. You need to start where you are and try to keep pushing what is possible.

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Post by riffraff »

baby wrote: post #758
jsheard wrote: post #556

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For the entire duration of the Russia/Ukraine war "combat footage" that is actually from the video game ARMA 3 has gone viral fairly regularly, and now exactly the same thing is happening with Israel/Iran.

Dude I clicked on some random Youtube accounts that were streaming the world cup live, and it took me a while to realize that they were actually just streaming video games replica of the actual game (at least, I think they were simulating the actual game with a video game, but I'm not sure as I didn't compare closely)

I've seen that a bunch of times, there's CGI highlights of most football matches.

I still don't know if it's autogenerated from the original video or recreated manually but yeah it's pretty realistic for the first few seconds.

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Post by mrkpdl »

signatoremo wrote: post #716
mrkpdl wrote: post #712

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These are false equivalences, or whataboutisms. The hand washers provided a very different ‘thing’. To that of artists. You mention things like getting clean clothes, getting from a to b in a car or on a horse, getting cash from an ATM instead from the teller at a bank branch. These are all completely different to the work of an artist or craftsperson that expresses something. So it’s very reasonable for people to se…

Do photographers express less than painters? Paint and brush are technologies. They enhance paintings. I expect there will be AI based art, not sure in which form, and people will still find joy in it.

> Do photographers express less than painters? Paint and brush are technologies. They enhance paintings.

I didn’t mean to imply artists don’t use technology. And certainly include photography in my definition of things made by the hands and minds of craft people. I have a degree in photography to back that up. But as with all technologies individuals will choose where their line of interest is drawn. There will be AI based art, and their will also be an audience who don’t want it.

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Post by rixed »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #745
xkqd wrote: post #730

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I’ve heard similar equivalencies in the past and I don’t know what the root cause of someone feeling this way is? Apathy? I’ve heard coworkers argue that enjoyment from video games is equally valuable to enjoying time with your family or enjoying a walk. I’m a lifelong gamer and it’s still heartbreaking to hear people say the grass outside is no more valuable to them than what’s going on in a digital world. What is g…

> I’m a lifelong gamer and it’s still heartbreaking to hear people say the grass outside is no more valuable to them than what’s going on in a digital world. Digital is just another part of the human experience, albeit much further removed from the surviving-in-the-savannah experience most of our ancestors evolved in. For folks with significant limitations, screen-based experiences can be a huge enhancement and even…

Would you say the same about any other drug?

Not experiencing reality is a bit like dreaming no?

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Post by danlugo92 »

boogieknite wrote: post #323
heurist wrote: post #273

I've been saying for years that generated content is an impending tsunami that's going to drown out all real human voices online. The internet may become effectively unusable as a result for anything other than entertainment.

This is interesting and i see some of this now. Even here on HN and other forums i thought were mostly "human". Even one of my group chats i can tell one of my friends is using ai responses, but one of the other members cant tell and replies earnestly. I am grossed out by this. my instinct is to avoid ai slop. The interesting part to me is: What next? Where do we go? Will it be that "human" forums are pushed further…

I got into hiking.

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Post by gitaarik »

bongodongobob wrote: post #726
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

The drama on this site regarding AI is absolutely hilarious. You'd think this group would be excited about game changing technology but well over half the crowd is crying over it. You deciding the Internet is broken or whatever is a you thing. The rest of humanity will continue to use, enjoy, and create new interesting stuff with it. As if most shit on the Internet hasn't been mostly trash to begin with. Even in the…

Indeed, seems like a lot of people are getting old and conservative here ;)
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