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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by takinola »

vunderba wrote: post #497
jcims wrote: post #103

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment…

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. With all due respect, how could there be when at the click of a button you can generate entire songs? You didn't come up with the chord progression, the structure, the melodic motifs, or the lyrics. My attachment to my works is directly proportional to the amount of eff…

I can imagine a painter two hundred years ago saying the same thing about photographs. How can you feel attachment to a picture when you did not make each brush stroke?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by Barrin92 »

garrettgarcia wrote: post #551
PhearTheCeal wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I read that text my first thought was making some videos of my mom that passed away, since so few videos of her exist and pictures don't capture her personality

The fact that your first thought was how you could use this amazing tech to remember a lost family member who you love, and OP's first thought was that it could be used for evil so it shouldn't exist says a ton about each of you.

If you put a piece of technology into the world you should spend more time on what consequences that has for the living in the future, not the dead.

As someone who has worked on payments infrastructure before, it's probably nice if your first thought is what great things an aunt can buy for her niece, but you're better off asking what bad actors can do with your software, or you're in for a bad surprise.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by l33tbro »

ipaddr wrote: post #620
M4v3R wrote: post #58

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It will be a loong time before AI can produce lead actors that are believable, act exactly the way you as a director want and tell the story you want to tell, so I think at least for now you'll still need the actors for the lead roles. But I can totally this being used for generating people/stuff in the background of certain shots in a low budget movie.

Isn't that a core problem now. Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. But this limits promotion where actors do interviews and sell the movie to the public. It also limits an actor doing something crazy that tanks a movie like a tweet.

The answer is that it depends on the director. For David Fincher or the Coen brothers, having this level of exactitude and precision is what their craft is all about.

But for plenty of other masters - think Cassavetes, Mike Leigh, even PTA - the actor's outstanding talent and instincts bring something to the script and vision that is outside of their prescriptive powers. Their focus is essentially setting up a framework for magic to happen inside of.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by ben_w »

observationist wrote: post #339
ben_w wrote: post #132

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You're unlikely to get an AI that wins accolades for the same reason that's unlikely with humans: they represent the absolute pinnacle of achievement. The same AI can still raise the minimum bar for quality. Or replace YouTubers and similar while they're still learning how to be good in the first place. No idea where we are in this whole process yet, but it's a continuum not a boolean.

What accolades? The Hollywood self-congratulatory conspicuous consumption festivals they use to show how good they are at producing "art" every year? The film festivals where billions of dollars are spent on clothing and jewelry to show off the "class" of everyone attending, which people like Weinstein used to pick victims, and everyone else uses as conspicuous consumption and "marketing" media? Pinnacle is not the w…

> What accolades?

Any accolades, be that professional groups, people's awards, rotten tomatoes or IMDB ratings.

> Race to the bottom, least possible effort, plausibly deniable quality, gross exploitation, capitalist bottom line - those are all things I'd use to describe current "art" awards like Grammy, Oscars, Cannes, etc.

I find them ridiculous in many ways, but no, one thing they're definitely not is a race to the bottom.

If you want to see what a race to the bottom looks like, The Room has a reputation for being generally terrible, "bad movie nights" are a thing, and Mystery Science Theater 3000's schtick is to poke fun at bad movies.

> The media industry is run by exploiting artists for licensing rights.

Yes

> The middle men and publishers add absolutely nothing to the mix. Google or Spotify or platforms arguably add value by surfacing, searching, categorizing, and so on, but not anywhere near the level of revenue capture they rationalize as their due.

I disagree. I think that every tech since a medium became subject to mass reproduction (different for video and audio, as early films were famously silent) has pushed things from a position close to egalitarianism towards a winner-takes-all. This includes Google: already-popular things become more popular, because Google knows you're more likely to engage with the more popular thing than the less popular thing. This dynamic also means that while anyone will be free to make their own personal vision (although most of us will have all the artistic talent of an inexperienced Tommy Wiseau), almost everyone will still only watch a handful of them.

> Art's going to get weird, and censorship will be nigh on impossible.

Bad news there, I'm afraid. AI you can run on your personal device, is quite capable of being used by the state to drive censorship at the level of your screen or your headphones.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by takinola »

zoogeny wrote: post #319

I wonder how they will package this as a product. I mean, there is some advantage to keeping the tool proprietary and wrapping it in a consumer product for Instagram/Facebook. What I hope (since I am building a story telling front-end for AI generated video) is that they consider b2c and selling this as a bulk service over an api.

The obvious use case for Meta is content generation. They provide the tools to content creators who create new content to post on Facebook/Instagram which increases Meta’s ad inventory

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Post by bilekas »

This just seems to serpent eating its own tail and distopian to me, Facebook, a company where people share their own content like videos and pictures now generating content from nothing but AI. To what end?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by jcims »

vunderba wrote: post #497
jcims wrote: post #103

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment…

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. With all due respect, how could there be when at the click of a button you can generate entire songs? You didn't come up with the chord progression, the structure, the melodic motifs, or the lyrics. My attachment to my works is directly proportional to the amount of eff…

I have no explanation.

It’s not a sense of pride or accomplishment. I don’t know what it is. Maybe a small amount of pride. It’s hard to say. But there is a definite connection that feels different listening to songs i requested vs those that other people have.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by eth0up »

Alright, I may or may not be a moron, but none of my versions of Firefox can connect to this site because 'some HSTS shit'.

Anyone able to update/inform a dinosaur?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by ynniv »

jsheard wrote: post #556
jetrink wrote: post #450

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A friend who lives in North Carolina sent me a video of the raging floodwaters in his state- at least that's what the superimposed text claimed it was. When I looked closer, it was clearly an Indian city filled with Indian people and Indian cars. He hadn't noticed anything except the flood water. It reminded me of that famous selective attention test video[1]. I won't ruin it for those who haven't seen it, but it's a…

For the entire duration of the Russia/Ukraine war "combat footage" that is actually from the video game ARMA 3 has gone viral fairly regularly, and now exactly the same thing is happening with Israel/Iran.

The willingness of people to believe that combatants are wearing cinematic body cams for no tactical reason can only be matched by their willingness to assume people meticulously record every minute of their lives just so they can post a once-in-a-lifetime event on TikTok.

Who even needs AI generated videos when you can just act out absurdity and pretend it's real?

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