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Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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I cannot verify that this guy is a contributor to Godot. Nothing shows up on his main github account relevant to godot. Only with that new fork. Don't get me wrong, Godot did ban few accounts. Those totally weird hecklers who made issues and PR's trolling against basic human rights. Again, if you have a proof of a ban campaign of ACTUAL contributors, please show it.

No weird hecklers and no one trolled against human rights, except for the people in charge of Godot trolling against the human right to free expression of course.

What free expression, specifically, was Godot "trolling against?"

Or is your claim that one day, for no specific reason, they just started banning random people?

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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post #7

It doesn't have a functioning website or even a statement explaining the reason for the fork. Why the reason for the fork? How many forks of Godot exist?

Given contributors have been blocked access to the actual Godot repo, part why this is going fork first, explanations later might just be to not block work

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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post #29

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I cannot verify that this guy is a contributor to Godot. Nothing shows up on his main github account relevant to godot. Only with that new fork. Don't get me wrong, Godot did ban few accounts. Those totally weird hecklers who made issues and PR's trolling against basic human rights. Again, if you have a proof of a ban campaign of ACTUAL contributors, please show it.

No weird hecklers and no one trolled against human rights, except for the people in charge of Godot trolling against the human right to free expression of course.

Nobody threatened your very obscured sense of free expression. They didn't ban them from the platform (even that would be discussable), they simply stopped interacting with a bunch of very weird and intolerant people. It's their right to ignore toxic people.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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post #42
post #7

It doesn't have a functioning website or even a statement explaining the reason for the fork. Why the reason for the fork? How many forks of Godot exist?

Given contributors have been blocked access to the actual Godot repo, part why this is going fork first, explanations later might just be to not block work

You forgot to mention the number of contributors who have been blocked. (It's five.)

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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You said that "Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects." In fact, no devs are blocked from getting updates for their projects.

They are, in fact.

They in fact aren't.

First, getting blocked on GitHub doesn't remove your access to the repository. You can still see and fork the code. You just can't comment in issues and discussions.

Second, no actual developer of Godot has been blocked. Random people harassing the contributors have been blocked.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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post #28

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https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m Several contributors cannot work on Godot anymore, hence the fork.

According to Akien, at the time that fork was created the total number of blocked users on github was 3, as of this morning the total number of blocked users on github has increased to 5. So that doesn't really seem to be the reason why that fork was created. Maybe it's someone who was unhappy with the development in general and this was the reason to pull the trigger but overall this does look a bit off.

1 single blocked user would be enough to justify generating a fork, so 5 blocked users seems to verify somewhat, the true stat would be number of unaccepted pull requests.

Assume a talented programmer who wishes to involve another programmer to help work on their (unaccepted by upstream and therefore mostly invisible) changes - github is then used to facilitate the work easier than setting up your own private repo. He can then approve that 3rd persons changes and move on to the next thing.

The key to it is they control the choice to accept the pull request and "make it so".

Years later, the potentially stalled upstream can "backport" the best changes from the fork if they have diverged too much to merge all of (the fork) changes into (to the main original) repo, and there is some reason to keep the stalled code alive (not saying it's stalled), or if it is still or more active probably "sideport" would be a better word, and if more advanced the best parts from Redot could be collected as a "patch" especially if it is not clear which is the most active. If Redot becomes the de factor dev version, and merging is too difficult, the original maintainer could ditch the old repo putting up a message and link to Godot non-Faggot version, fork Redot back into Godot, call it the release version, and call Redot the live public beta of the next version of Godot (this is my prediction of what will happen).

Jacob Faggot was a Swedish scientist, civil servant, and surveyor. * this is a test of the anti-woke emergency broadcast system. Pump up the volume.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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>More than I'd expect for a pure revenge server. Seems about right to me. Don't underestimate how organized and developed the anti-woke outrage machine is, and the fact that this blew up on Twitter when the "game engines are woke" meme was ascendant. It's a perfect tempest in a teacup. I mean, it's literally just a fork of Godot with a reskin at this point, that few people would even know about outside of the context…

Outrage machine? You mean people sincerely disagreeing with the hateful bullshit the Godot community managers and moderators have been saying publically?

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development.

There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison the community well.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

#48
post #42

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Given contributors have been blocked access to the actual Godot repo, part why this is going fork first, explanations later might just be to not block work

You forgot to mention the number of contributors who have been blocked. (It's five.)

That's like saying only 5 devs were shot, there's tens of thousands left.

The behavior of the Godot Foundation is so out of touch with the community and the general idea of trying to provide a product/service that is not politically aligned by its base idea, and whose audience is politically diverse and don't expect Godot to engage with polarizing acts.

I've literally never seen a Discord blow up and grow as fast as this one.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

#49
post #4

These revenge forks never live long. This one didn‘t even manage to delete Godot from the readme and insert its own name.

It literally hasn't officially launched yet, it will do that inside 24 hours.

No point panicking about replacing references. There's so many in the engine, like there would be in any codebase anyway, that probably most of them will stay as-is. I don't imagine there was any project-wide Ctrl+H on Open/LibreOffice port either.

Re: Redot Engine: A Fork of the Godot Engine

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post #47

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Outrage machine? You mean people sincerely disagreeing with the hateful bullshit the Godot community managers and moderators have been saying publically?

It's a way to dehumanize the majority of people who'd like to keep politics out of professional game development. There's no way to argue that this whole controversy wasn't just made up on purpose by a radical CM. At some point companies have to learn having these people in control of the social media profiles isn't a good idea, and siding with them is even worse. This is peak unprofessionalism and trying to poison t…

How do you know what the majority wants or that even matters?

Simply because some sociopaths have stopped seeing themselves as active members of the society, doesn't necessarily make them neither a majority nor a healthy group of people.

To honor basic human rights is "poisoning"? That's some strong projection.

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