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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jamiek88 »

sanex wrote: post #204
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on who the moat is supposed to keep out. A reasonable case from an antitrust regulator would be that if a provider of models/apis gleans the prompts from the users of the apis to build competing products... they are in trouble. Good prompts may actually have a moat - a complex agent system is basically just a lot of prompts and infra to co-ordinate the outputs/inputs.

Amazon Basics is kind of the same thing, they haven't been sued. Yet.

Suing Amazon unless you are also a mega corp is basically impossible so until they rip off Apple or MS they’ll be fine.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dotancohen »

low_tech_punk wrote: post #47

Funny timing. StackBlitz announced Bolt.new ( https://bolt.new/ ) today with multi-file edit, emulated filesystem, arbitrary npm installs, and is open source. I feel ChatGPT is still chasing after Claude 3.5 artifact.

Another comment rather disparages Bolt:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733485

Has anyone had much experience with it, that can share their findings? I'm happy with Claude Sonnet and can't try every new AI code tool at the rate they are coming out. I'd love to hear informed opinions.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jsheard »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #167
pragmomm wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canvas is closer to Cursor ( https://www.cursor.com ) than Claude. I wonder how Paul Graham thinks of Sam Altman basically copying Cursor and potentially every upstream AI company out of YC, maybe as soon as they launch on demo day. Is it a retribution arc?

> wonder how Paul Graham thinks of Sam Altman basically copying Cursor If OpenAI can copy Cursor, so can everyone else.

And everyone has, YC alone has funded at least four Cursor clones, Double, Void, Continue and Pear, with Pear being a literal fork of Continue's OSS code. AFAICT Cursor isn't even the original, I think Copilot X was the first of its kind and Cursor cloned that.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by elashri »

rglover wrote: post #214
arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

If you prefer to support Claude, check out Parrot [1]. I'll be adding a feature similar to this backed by Claude 3.5 Sonnet over the next few weeks. [1] https://codewithparrot.com

In your landing page it says about competitors

> They're not wasting hours trying to "figure out" a solution

I am pretty sure that we don't have AGI that would figure our solutions to our problems (coding or not) on its own yet. And from experience, you would need to solve the problems at least conceptually before using LLM and try to get something useful out of that.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jug »

Ugh. Code reviews and helping out with tedious code comments. That's great stuff for software developers. And will be a headache to control for our company. This is taking increasingly more restraint from developers to not send code as-is straight to OpenAI, especially when the features are fundamentally built on that you do so.

OpenAI doesn't train on business data on their enterprise plans but the problem is if a company doesn't have such a plan, maybe going for a competitor, or simply not having anything. And users then go here for OpenAI to help out with their Plus subscription or whatever to become more efficient. That's the problem.

Asking an AI for help is one thing. Then you can rewrite it to a "homework question" style while at it, abstracting away corporate details or data. But code reviews? Damn. Hell, I'm certain they're siphoning closed source as I'm writing this. That's just how humans work.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by sunaookami »

dotancohen wrote: post #242
low_tech_punk wrote: post #47

Funny timing. StackBlitz announced Bolt.new ( https://bolt.new/ ) today with multi-file edit, emulated filesystem, arbitrary npm installs, and is open source. I feel ChatGPT is still chasing after Claude 3.5 artifact.

Another comment rather disparages Bolt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733485 Has anyone had much experience with it, that can share their findings? I'm happy with Claude Sonnet and can't try every new AI code tool at the rate they are coming out. I'd love to hear informed opinions.

Just tried it, it wrote promising code but in the end only the last file was created and the other files had no content (even though I saw them being written). Seems a bit bugged at the moment.

EDIT: Only seems to work in Chrome?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by carom »

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

Their API is unusable due to rate limits. Myself and my wife have both had ideas, started using it, and found other approaches after hitting rate limits. I tried funding more money in the account to increase the rate limits and it did not work. I imagine they see poor growth there because of this.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by swarnie »

8338550bff96 wrote: post #143
serjester wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

75% of OpenAI's revenue is coming from their consumer business - the better question is the long term viability of their public API. But if they believe they're going to reach AGI, it makes no sense to pigeonhole themselves to the interface of ChatGPT. Seems like a pretty sensible decision to maintain both.

75%? Thats astonishing to me. Where are you able to see those details? It wouldn't surprise me if not a lot of enterprises are going through OpenAI's enterprise agreements - most already have a relationship with Microsoft in one capacity or another so going through Azure just seems like the lowest friction way to get access. If how many millions we spend on tokens through Azure to OpenAI is any indication of what oth…

It may be pretty minimal but i can personally vouch for 20ish techies in my own social orbit who's businesses wont authorise or wont pay for OpenAI yet and are doing so out of their own pockets; i share an office with four of them.

Maybe the consumer side will slide as businesses pick up the tab?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by dmitrygr »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #239
aeze wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on the principle (using the better product) but interestingly I've had the opposite experience when comparing Claude 3.5 Sonnet vs GPT 4o. Claude's been far and away superior on coding tasks. What have you been testing for?

I have a friend who has ZERO background in coding and he's basically built a SaaS app from the ground up using Replit and it's integration with Claude. Backend is Supabase, auth done with Firebase, and includes Stripe integration and he's live with actual paying customers in maybe 2 weeks time. He showed me his workflow and the prompts he uses and it's pretty amazing how much he's been able to do with very little tec…

Ask him in a year how maintenance went

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by tomjen3 »

jug wrote: post #245

Ugh. Code reviews and helping out with tedious code comments. That's great stuff for software developers. And will be a headache to control for our company. This is taking increasingly more restraint from developers to not send code as-is straight to OpenAI, especially when the features are fundamentally built on that you do so. OpenAI doesn't train on business data on their enterprise plans but the problem is if a c…

I guess your company will have to update their rules about sharing code with ai then. Not to worry your code is not that special, your data is.
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