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I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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The real problem seems to be with the testing and grading system, and the fact that some people game them to receive some title or other credentials. If one is really interested in learning to write well, or to understand what good writing is, then this particular teacher might still have liked their job. That approach probably doesn't make much money though.

I don't know. When have you heard a single student or educator in a class suggest, "All submitted papers should be available to be read by everyone in the class"? Think deeply about the impacts of that. Other than a creative writing class, I can't recall a single time when I could read someone else's papers without their express permission. I'm bringing this up because you're talking about a tired trope, that making money or credentials are the conspiratorial force deciding everything you don't like in education, inspecific to writing and thus not really engaging with the article; when really, there are much simpler and more toxic aspects of writing education that educators could reverse in an afternoon.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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This was spot-on until you the final sentence. And that was more an individual position ("I will trust") rather than a general prescription ("You should trust")...so I am not sure why this is unpopular.

AI does have the potential to be a private tutor. Think that scene from Star Trek (2009)[1] or The Young Ladies Illustrated Primer.

Companies are making 11-12 figure bets that AI will be huge, so this comment isn't out of line.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvMxLpce3Xw

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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I don't trust LLM's to create novel ideas, and I'd never copy paste any AI output. Would I rework the output or maby use certain through processes, maby. But I'm not trusting an AI blindly, its a statistical capture of its training data not a magic wand.

That said, most professors still force students to write code on paper with no autocorrect, google, or even access to the reference documentation which seems counter productive. I remember when people were calling auto completing text editors cheating, yet despite how much we accept auto complete or how many professional developers use AI tools, were still forcing college students to use pen and paper and trying to memorize syntax and all the functions of a library, all because professors can't be decent enough to even allow access to notes or the basic language or library docs.

The AI or the documentation isn't going to solve your problems. Its enabling you to not memorize an entire language that you might not even work with in your career. Do I think their is people who can and will misuse the technology, yep you bet ya. But we need to stop forcing people to suffer due to the people who disregard the rules.

You can also tell a major difference between someone who just uses AI to write the essay or paper, and someone who uses it to develop better ideas or arguments and develop multiple ways of phrasing something. LLM's are nothing new, just like how computer vision has been good for a long time.(see opencv, YOLO, and DARKNET)

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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You can already see it in people who cannot navigate their automobile without google maps or some equivalent.

I don't really see that as a bad thing. Einstein famously didn't memorize phone numbers because you could look it up in book. Quick external lookups are a huge productivity boost since you don't have to spend all the time memorizing something.

This is true to a point. You can get huge performance gains using L1 cache rather than accessing network storage.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Is this all bad? The conversational model of learning, the dialectic, can be better for learning than just reading walls of text. Instant access to a lot of information, in a more conversational model. I've found it to be more natural. Are we reaching the stage where every kid has a "Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" from the Diamond Age? That would be a good thing.

If they can solve the hallucination problem, sure. Otherwise we're going to have a lot of people who "know" things about the world that are simply made up.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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As long as LLM companies can hang on for another 15 years or so, there will be an entire generation of humans who will be as utterly incapable of living without LLMs in the same way that most people in developed countries are incapable of growing their own food. Intellectual lock-in will be their moat.

You can already see it in people who cannot navigate their automobile without google maps or some equivalent.

I think what is more readily apparent is that younger folks cannot reverse their car without looking at the camera. Older folks still turn around and look.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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I read this and it struck a chord. A decade or more ago, a friend of mine teaching English in a major state university told me that he was getting lots of students who couldn't seem to read a novel. They could read the words on the page, but they couldn't focus enough to really understand it.

My experience is that writing things out always improves my understanding of the subject. It's similar to forcing yourself to write a proof in mathematics, to verify your understanding. The formalism is hugely helpful.

If the result of chatgpt is even more kids skating through life without really picking up these skills... it may have tragic consequences. Learning to think well is the single most important thing I got from education. I would argue that improvements in human thinking -- via philosophy, logic, mathematics, the scientific method, and yes, literacy -- have made a huge difference in human lives over the past few thousand years.

Not that chatgpt would be the root cause. Chatgpt would just be a symptom of a much bigger problem.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can already see it in people who cannot navigate their automobile without google maps or some equivalent.

I don't really see that as a bad thing. Einstein famously didn't memorize phone numbers because you could look it up in book. Quick external lookups are a huge productivity boost since you don't have to spend all the time memorizing something.

A conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson from A Study in Scarlet, by Arthur Conan Doyle:

> That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to be to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it.

> "You appear to be astonished," he said, smiling at my expression of surprise. "Now that I do know it I shall do my best to forget it."

> "To forget it!"

> "You see," he explained, "I consider that a man's brain originally is like a little empty attic, and you have to stock it with such furniture as you choose..."

> "But the Solar System!" I protested.

> "What the deuce is it to me?" he interrupted impatiently; "you say that we go round the sun. If we went round the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work."

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