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Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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$200 for the Surface? Sure, in Bizarro World.

Never say never. If someone had told me that i'd be able to buy a high-end(processor and brand) tablet for $200, I would've laughed in their face.

Sure. Care to specify the "high-end" tablet you're buying for $200? I'm a bit skeptical. If you're claiming the Nexus 7, that's not in the class of the iPad nor the proposed Surface.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Yeah, I don't really care. It is Google branded, was developed primarily by Google, was marketed as "Google Android" and/or "Android by Google" at various times, has Google apps, has a store run by Google where I get more apps, and has Google's name associated with it in every news article I find about it online. It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer. Your technicalities don't mean jack to me. Also, everyt…

You have absolutely no business relationship with Google with regards to your device and yet you think it's their problem? Branding tells you what software it's running -- that's all -- it doesn't imply anything more.

So you ignored my point about Windows OEM. Would you like to address that or are you going to concede it?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

Which is better, two 20WHr batteries or one 40WHr battery?

Two twenties, because after a few months, I have two 15s and you have a twenty. Batteries never seem to fully charge like the used to.

My wife has a iPhone (the 4s or something) and still has to charge hers more than I do (Samsung Galaxy II). Not a whole lot different, but instead of her being tied to the outlet, I can pull my battery out, put in the new one and keep going.

That kind of convenience is worth everything to me. Also 200 dollars to replace a battery that lasts a year is still a lot less than I spend. I spend 20 bucks for two spare batteries on Amazon. I don't go through 20 batteries a year, that's for sure.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

Phones are different from tablets/laptops in terms of battery use case, of course. An iPhone's internal battery can quickly charge to 75% in your pocket (60 minutes) from a spare battery, and then be good to go for another 12-18 hours. A Single Extra Hyperjuice Battery in your pocket will let you go 7-10 days with an iPhone without having to recharge from a wall socket. The problem with the iPad is that it's battery…

Hmm, 100 bucks though, still kinda high priced. I can get two batteries with a wall charger for 20 bucks on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/1900mAh-Batteries-GT-I9100-Anker-Multi...

A weekend charge and I'm often good for the whole workweek.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

>I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. Then you'll never buy Apple. Non-replaceable battery means a much better device. Going back to replaceable batteries would be a huge step backwards. Replaceable batteries on portable devices are going away. Sorry to break the new to you.

I disagree. Non replaceable batteries are a step back. Guess it depends on your outlook. I like to work with things. Some electronics, some carpentry, some mechanic work on my cars. Anything that restricts that freedom is a step backwards. Anytime you are at the whim of a tyrannical company, you are limiting yourself.

All IMO, I get that, but this is why I disagree.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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You have absolutely no business relationship with Google with regards to your device and yet you think it's their problem? Branding tells you what software it's running -- that's all -- it doesn't imply anything more.

So you ignored my point about Windows OEM. Would you like to address that or are you going to concede it?

I didn't see your point (you edited it in)

Yes, I am prepared to argue that you have no direct business relationship with Microsoft when you purchase a PC. In fact, if you read your license agreement you will see that -- the first line in fact reads: "These license terms are an agreement between you and the computer manufacturer that distributes the software with the computer". According to the license the manufacturer accepts all responsibility for defects in Windows (including updates) for the warranty period.

If you choose to install a version of Windows purchased directly from Microsoft, that's under completely different terms.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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You didn't buy your OS from Google. You didn't buy your device from Google. Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

Yeah, I don't really care. It is Google branded, was developed primarily by Google, was marketed as "Google Android" and/or "Android by Google" at various times, has Google apps, has a store run by Google where I get more apps, and has Google's name associated with it in every news article I find about it online. It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer. Your technicalities don't mean jack to me. Also, everyt…

Your Windows OEM analogy does not hold since the OEM does not develop nor integrate their own version of Windows. More importantly, Microsoft has full control over update channel. Not so with Android.

> Would you like to address that or are you going to concede it?

It is not a sword duel you know? Between this and throwing "I don't care's" around you really come off argumentative

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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So you ignored my point about Windows OEM. Would you like to address that or are you going to concede it?

I didn't see your point (you edited it in) Yes, I am prepared to argue that you have no direct business relationship with Microsoft when you purchase a PC. In fact, if you read your license agreement you will see that -- the first line in fact reads: "These license terms are an agreement between you and the computer manufacturer that distributes the software with the computer". According to the license the manufactur…

This is not the question I asked. I asked you if you thought it would be wrong to consider Microsoft responsible for Windows failing to update on a recently acquired laptop.

I am slightly curious as to your personal opinion, but in the main it simply doesn't matter what an individual hacker knowledgable about the business aspects of the ecosystem thinks. I'd be willing to stake up to a hundred dollars that if you find five random Windows users on the street and ask them "If Windows stopped updating on your machine, would you consider Microsoft responsible for that?" five of them would say yes (assuming they know that Windows updates at all :P). Whether you technically have a business relationship with Microsoft is totally uninteresting to most consumers, as is also true in this case with Google. What matters is the expectations created by marketing, branding, and UI. That's really all I have to say about this subject.

Yes, I did edit it in, but I thought I had done it so quickly that you would not have seen the original comment. My apologies.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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I fail to see your argument. The original iPad launched two years ago, and will not be getting iOS 6 because it is "too old".

Nitpicks: The iPad 1 will be (conservatively guessing) 2.5 years old when iOS 6 is actually released. The Nexus One was less than 2 years old when ICS was released. iOS 6 does support the iPhone 3GS, which will be over 3 years old when iOS 6 is released.

The 3GS is not a good comparison, as it's still being sold. It may have been released a while ago, but it is still a current product. Support for the original iPad was cut off after about two years, as was support for the original iPhone — because those were both actually old (in the sense of "not current") products. They got very slightly longer support periods than the original Nexus, but they got the same sort of complaints.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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I'd pay more than an iPad for a tablet with identical specs if it had replaceable batteries. I'll never, ever personally purchase an Apple product until they do.

I understand where you're coming from, but customers who want/need to swap out batteries themselves are too small of a market for Apple to care about. Unfortunately for you, the trend of ever-tighter industrial design (which means integrated batteries) only looks like it will continue.

will_work4tears: Lithium batteries (used in all modern phones and tablets) work best when not drained completely before recharging.

In fact, there's usually firmware specifically designed to cut power off before the battery completely discharges, because completely discharging the battery can physically damage it. (Completely discharging LiPoly batteries can actually produce a fire hazard, because gaseous hydrogen is generated inside the cell!)

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