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Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by noveltyaccount »

tomkarlo wrote: post #162
gvnonor wrote: post #139

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Never say never. If someone had told me that i'd be able to buy a high-end(processor and brand) tablet for $200, I would've laughed in their face.

According to Microsoft, Surface pricing is "expected to be competitive with a comparable ARM tablet or Intel Ultrabook-class PC" (paraphrasing from the original presentation.) It's pretty clear that's closer to the $800 mark than the $200. If they want to compete with the iPad, they'll need to get down into the $500-$700 range, but I doubt they'd be giving that kind of price guidance if anything under $400 was remote…

To clarify that, the RT version will compete with ARM tablet prices; expect ~US$500. The Pro version will compete with Intel-based ultrabooks; expect ~$1200.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by bratsche »

exhilaration wrote: post #131
guywithabike wrote: post #108

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They've made a lot of those kinds of promises -- they don't often deliver, so parent poster is right to feel uneasy about future support.

No, Google keeps its promises when it comes to supporting old devices - Jelly Bean will be released in mid-July for the Nexus S, a phone first shipped in Dec 2010. It also got the ICS upgrade months ago. It's the other Android manufacturers - Samsung, HTC, etc - and the mobile carriers that approve each OTA update that often don't fulfill their promises.

Google promised like two I/Os ago that they were solving the fragmentation problem with some kind of new agreement with device makers, but after that we never heard another word about it.

Maybe it's not Google's fault, but that seems like it's skirting the issue: a year after ICS was announced, something like 7.5% of devices are using it, and now we're moving on to JB. We can sit around and blame Samsung and HTC all day, but Google is the steward company of Android and this fragmentation is a real problem that affects developers. If it's creating a shitty situation for developers, it's creating a shitty situation for users.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by tptacek »

pook1e wrote: post #110
kylec wrote: post #86

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The Nexus One has only been out for 2.5 years (since Jan 2010) and it was announced back in October that it wouldn't be getting ICS because it was "too old", which at that time was still less than 2 years since its launch. http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/26/the-nexus-one-isnt-invited-...

I fail to see your argument. The original iPad launched two years ago, and will not be getting iOS 6 because it is "too old".

Nitpicks:

The iPad 1 will be (conservatively guessing) 2.5 years old when iOS 6 is actually released. The Nexus One was less than 2 years old when ICS was released.

iOS 6 does support the iPhone 3GS, which will be over 3 years old when iOS 6 is released.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by jamesaguilar »

wvenable wrote: post #173
jamesaguilar wrote: post #154

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I'm just a user of Google's Android OS. My three-year old Windows and Mac computers still get the latest OS versions, as do my iPhones. I don't care about the particular reasons why my phone with Google's Android OS doesn't get updated. I just know it doesn't. Those are Google's problems, not mine. My problem is that I own an Android phone that is not on the latest version. > be smart about which droid phone you get…

You didn't buy your OS from Google. You didn't buy your device from Google. Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

Yeah, I don't really care. It is Google branded, was developed primarily by Google, was marketed as "Google Android" and/or "Android by Google" at various times, has Google apps, has a store run by Google where I get more apps, and has Google's name associated with it in every news article I find about it online. It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer. Your technicalities don't mean jack to me.

Also, everything you said in this comment applies likewise when I get a laptop with Windows installed by an OEM. Are you prepared to argue that a Windows computer is in no part a Microsoft product and that Microsoft would not be responsible if the OS failed to update on my laptop?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by pja »

marbletiles wrote: post #132
al_james wrote: post #59

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Yes, nice to see there is not a huge mark-up for the UK prices. $199 is £127 + 20% tax = £152... Close enough.

... except that they add the tax on top of the £159. It's actually £168 here, I've just discovered.

It's an extra £10 shipping. VAT is already included in the price.

(Although £10 for shipping is a bit steep tbh.)

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by will_work4tears »

rayiner wrote: post #103
will_work4tears wrote: post #93

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I'd pay more than an iPad for a tablet with identical specs if it had replaceable batteries. I'll never, ever personally purchase an Apple product until they do.

> I'd pay more than an iPad for a tablet with identical specs if it had replaceable batteries. Why?

Because I like to be able to swap my batteries without paying 200 bucks and having my electronic device away (Send to apple to replace).

Also, I'm don't like Apple as a company and am not a brandphile. Having a smart phone or tablet is enough for me, I don't need to flash around a brand name to feel important.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by wvenable »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #184
wvenable wrote: post #173

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You didn't buy your OS from Google. You didn't buy your device from Google. Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

Yeah, I don't really care. It is Google branded, was developed primarily by Google, was marketed as "Google Android" and/or "Android by Google" at various times, has Google apps, has a store run by Google where I get more apps, and has Google's name associated with it in every news article I find about it online. It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer. Your technicalities don't mean jack to me. Also, everyt…

You have absolutely no business relationship with Google with regards to your device and yet you think it's their problem? Branding tells you what software it's running -- that's all -- it doesn't imply anything more.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by pja »

Seriously? £40 for an extra 8Gb of flash with no SD card slot? That's reaching iPad levels of customer value extraction.

Otherwise, looks like a nice piece of hardware: Tempted to grab one.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by greedo »

Moto7451 wrote: post #175
greedo wrote: post #106

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So you always carry two extra batteries around? That must be fun. What model phone do you have that you need 3 batteries to get through the day? Wouldn't it be easier just to carry around a charger?

My buddy has a TMobile MyTouch phone (forget which one) and he goes through three batteries per day. My Samsung Admire lasts a day and a half on one battery with similar usage. The difference is his MyTouch is "thin and sexy" and mine has a battery bulge and a tick smaller screen. Small battery + large power hungry screen = angry user base. He hates it but he's pretty loyal to TMobile. I suggested getting another And…

That's just insane, and I can't think that's a typical usage scenario. Going through three batteries a day (assuming he charges it while he sleeps) means he's getting less than six hours per battery.

And I don't understand the loyalty to a carrier that sells phones with such poor performance. Where does his loyalty come from, a crush on the cute girl in the T-Mobile ads?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by will_work4tears »

endemic wrote: post #124
will_work4tears wrote: post #93

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I'd pay more than an iPad for a tablet with identical specs if it had replaceable batteries. I'll never, ever personally purchase an Apple product until they do.

I understand where you're coming from, but customers who want/need to swap out batteries themselves are too small of a market for Apple to care about. Unfortunately for you, the trend of ever-tighter industrial design (which means integrated batteries) only looks like it will continue.

"only looks like it will continue"

This is probably true, but hopefully battery technology gets better and electronics require less and less power.

Charging every day is a hassle. Especially since you supposedly shouldn't charge until it's entirely drained.

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