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Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by ajross »

programminggeek wrote: post #147

Android's UI as a "media consumption" device is terrible compared to what Kindle Fire and Nook have done. The average user (say your parents), aren't going to go to the Google Play Store (which is a terrible non-obvious) name to buy books, movies, apps, etc. unless you explain to them that you have to use the Play app to download content. Kindle Fire nailed the obviousness of this with the top bar being labeled with…

I think the first point is pretty suspect, and definitely not a trait of the "average user" (who, on a tablet, remains a techie early adopter). You get content the same place you get apps. You're saying that the "average user" can't download an app, either?

I tend to agree that "Play" as a brand is a terrible name, though. But then I feel that way about most marketing, and find my intuition there routinely wrong. So I won't judge.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by tomkarlo »

gvnonor wrote: post #139
greedo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$200 for the Surface? Sure, in Bizarro World.

Never say never. If someone had told me that i'd be able to buy a high-end(processor and brand) tablet for $200, I would've laughed in their face.

According to Microsoft, Surface pricing is "expected to be competitive with a comparable ARM tablet or Intel Ultrabook-class PC" (paraphrasing from the original presentation.) It's pretty clear that's closer to the $800 mark than the $200.

If they want to compete with the iPad, they'll need to get down into the $500-$700 range, but I doubt they'd be giving that kind of price guidance if anything under $400 was remotely possible in Microsoft's own view - their estimate is probably a "best case" outcome given how incredibly fuzzy they were about it. (Arguably they could deliver at $1000 and claim they're still "competitive" with an Ultrabook.)

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by [deleted] »

greedo wrote: post #106
will_work4tears wrote: post #89

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I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

So you always carry two extra batteries around? That must be fun. What model phone do you have that you need 3 batteries to get through the day? Wouldn't it be easier just to carry around a charger?

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Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by k3n »

ok_craig wrote: post #133
k3n wrote: post #31

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Kind of flies in the face of conventional wisdom, too IMO, as productivity and business-related apps certainly aren't something to "play" with. What's next, a "work" marketplace, but with conrflower-blue themes and more mundane blurbs and graphics?

Tablets still aren't generally thought of or used as productivity devices, they are viewed and used more as consumption devices. I'm not saying this can't or shouldn't change, I'm just saying this is how it is right now. It seems smart to market to that.

But, Google's Play is not just for tablets; Play is the market for ALL of Google's apps, from Android to Chrome (browser) to ChromeOS. Chrome is already heavily used for commercial purposes, and ChromeOS has the potential to be (and might be used for such already). That's kind of where I was going with that.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by awolf »

will_work4tears wrote: post #89
ghshephard wrote: post #21

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Well, lots of people complained about the lack of an SD card - and indeed, one of the differentiators that people look to google for are things like replaceable batteries, USB connectivity, and SD card expandability. Those people who are content to live in a walled off protected garden, might be well served in the Apple world. Those people who want to root their boxes, add USB accessories, and swap out SD cards previ…

I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

>I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries.

Then you'll never buy Apple.

Non-replaceable battery means a much better device. Going back to replaceable batteries would be a huge step backwards. Replaceable batteries on portable devices are going away. Sorry to break the new to you.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by ghshephard »

will_work4tears wrote: post #89
ghshephard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, lots of people complained about the lack of an SD card - and indeed, one of the differentiators that people look to google for are things like replaceable batteries, USB connectivity, and SD card expandability. Those people who are content to live in a walled off protected garden, might be well served in the Apple world. Those people who want to root their boxes, add USB accessories, and swap out SD cards previ…

I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

Phones are different from tablets/laptops in terms of battery use case, of course. An iPhone's internal battery can quickly charge to 75% in your pocket (60 minutes) from a spare battery, and then be good to go for another 12-18 hours.

A Single Extra Hyperjuice Battery in your pocket will let you go 7-10 days with an iPhone without having to recharge from a wall socket.

The problem with the iPad is that it's battery is so high-capacity - that you can't do the same kind of trivial charge in your pocket trick. Also - the batteries take about 5 hours to get up to a 75% charge.

So - the battery problem has been mostly solved for iPhones (just recharge them from a hyper juice or like spare battery) but iPads have yet to come out with the same convenient solution.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by tedunangst »

will_work4tears wrote: post #89
ghshephard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, lots of people complained about the lack of an SD card - and indeed, one of the differentiators that people look to google for are things like replaceable batteries, USB connectivity, and SD card expandability. Those people who are content to live in a walled off protected garden, might be well served in the Apple world. Those people who want to root their boxes, add USB accessories, and swap out SD cards previ…

I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

Which is better, two 20WHr batteries or one 40WHr battery?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by awolf »

The 7" form factor: big enough to be a pain in the ass to carry and small enough to be useless for most tablet stuff anyway.

In my opinion, a mobile device should have a keyboard big enough for me to type using ten fingers, or it should fit in my pocket. Using something in between baffles me.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by tonfa »

Achshar wrote: post #128
tonfa wrote: post #116

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The Xoom is pretty old and should be getting JB.

The xoom 2 or the very first one? It got off from 3.1 and then got 3.2, 4.0 and now 4.1. That sounds like a nexus like update life. Is nexus 7 really the first google tablet?

The first one. (The Xoom 2 isn't a Google experience device ~= nexus)
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