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Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Upvoted. And I have an .emacs.d folder carefully crafted over 20 years.

Same here but with every new Emacs version I can cull a good bit from it. Starting from Emacs 23 it has decreased by at least 50%.

Do you mean it is decreased >= 50% since you started using Emacs 23? What version are you using now?

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Yes, that's what he meant with VS not being efficient in that regard.

He said "VS does not have a shortcut to switch between files quickly". I'm having trouble thinking of a quicker way to switch files than pressing ctrl + tab.

I'm a long time emacs user and I work in Visual Studio a lot. VS does have pretty good integration with Perforce and other commercial scs, which presumably is what most of it's target audience needs.

Switching between files works best with Visual Assist added. Alt-Shift-o search string will get a list of matching files, and approximates emacs buffer switching.

Regarding the great IDE vs emacs/vim debate, I find using the IDE is best when working with code, and emacs for everything else. Occasionally I'll need to do something more complicated or that can be automated with an emacs macro and I edit the file there instead.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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I like it too. The main problem I have with it—and Textmate—is the lack of an emacs-like Follow-mode: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Fol... . It's 2012, I'm using a 27" monitor, and yet I can't find this feature, or one like it, in anything other than emacs, which has a learning curve far too steep for my pretty simple needs. At one point, the Textmate website mentioned that a follow-mode-li…

> The main problem I have with it—and Textmate—is the lack of an emacs-like Follow-mode: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Fol... . . I believe this plugin does what you want: https://github.com/atbell/SublimeSynchroScroll

Beautiful! Thank you!

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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I continue to be haunted by something a good artist friend used to say: "Don't obsess over your tools. They are not the goal". This would ring in the back of my head as I spent many hours configuring my editor / shell / terminal setup. It felt like a guilty pleasure. It dawned on me however, that what had drawn me to programming in the first place was a sublime text editor (TextMate), and that my business is in fact…

>>> "Don't obsess over your tools. They are not the goal" Actually, someone from design background once told me "Good tools produce great work".

I vehemently disagree with this; good tools help get out of the way to allow you to do good work. If your tools are producing work, then you aren't.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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If I understand you correctly, ST2 has both of these things already. edit: Sublime has a CLI, but can't be run inside terminal.

My vim setup has typically been two vertical split buffers, one with whatever code I'm looking at, the other running either another piece of code, or ConqueTerm (bash console within vim). Ideally I'd like the same environment mixed with some nearly "ide-looking" find-and-replace/refactoring support. ST2 supposedly has these features from what I've read, just haven't dug into em yet.

I don't know of any full fledged terminals that you can embed in st2 at this time. There's a plugin called Shell-Turtlestein that allows you to run a single command. \

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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I continue to be haunted by something a good artist friend used to say: "Don't obsess over your tools. They are not the goal". This would ring in the back of my head as I spent many hours configuring my editor / shell / terminal setup. It felt like a guilty pleasure. It dawned on me however, that what had drawn me to programming in the first place was a sublime text editor (TextMate), and that my business is in fact…

I've once watched a group of sculptors argue about the merits of various drills for a whole evening. So yes, artists also obsess over their tools just like we do over ours.

Well, the poster said a "good artist" told him that. Even so, perhaps your group were good artists but misguided on just this one issue. Another anecdote, I saw a thing on ice sculptors; there were two really amazing artists and they were arguing about which one used better tools. One artist used an angle grinder exclusively for almost everything and the other used hand chisels exclusively for detail. It doesn't seem like the tool matters that much as long as it is fits a certain percentage of needs.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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I continue to be haunted by something a good artist friend used to say: "Don't obsess over your tools. They are not the goal". This would ring in the back of my head as I spent many hours configuring my editor / shell / terminal setup. It felt like a guilty pleasure. It dawned on me however, that what had drawn me to programming in the first place was a sublime text editor (TextMate), and that my business is in fact…

My father is a car mechanic and once said nothing more powerful.than having the right tool for the job. and he also said that your tools protect you.. the day you get a flat tire is exactly the day you put your tools out of the car...

For mechanical things, I think your father is exactly right. For programming and text editing, I think it is different. If you don't have the right sized socket wrench, probably all you are going to do is destroy whatever you are working on. With programming, i.e. editing text, it's a different story.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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How often do you use a text editor?

Naturally, I use a text editor almost all the time. That doesn't make this licensing model any better though: it's still annoying, and there are still superior alternatives that are free in both senses of the word. For me, that alternative happens to be Emacs, but there are other options that are almost as good :P. Of course, it is much harder to learn how to use Emacs properly (navigating with the keyboard, using mo…

While I agree with almost everything you said, I think you're downplaying the importance of person preference. I used Emacs nearly exclusively for well over a decade, but fell in love with ST2 the moment I tried it. To me, it feels like a well-configured Emacs that's 95% the way I like it right out of the box. The other 5% has been easy to install through the package manager. As a bonus, it's scripted in a language I like working in.

Don't assume that people are flocking to ST2 because they're not aware of the alternatives. I'm very aware of them. For me, the advantages of ST2 over Emacs were worth the money and I'm glad I bought a license.

That said, I always keep the latest Emacs installed on my laptop and I could jump back into it if ST2 were to disappear off the planet tomorrow. I hope it doesn't, though, because I find ST2 more pleasant to use than Emacs and I hope I can keep using it for a long time.

Re: Sublime Text 2.0 Released

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Umm what? Yes they do and that is a pretty terrible analogy even if they didn't. Why do you feel the need to pollute a release thread with your VIM elitism?

I think his point is right. Market a tool for what it is good at doing. If I want to use vim, I can use vim. Heck there are many things these days that will give you the same GUI candy what GUI based text editors give. Glossy text editors come and go every 2-3 years, Editors like Emacs and vim stay.

On the other hand, what are the odds we're still using them in 100 years? Almost none.

The next question then must be: when do we start writing the next generation of tools? Now, or should we wait?

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I've once watched a group of sculptors argue about the merits of various drills for a whole evening. So yes, artists also obsess over their tools just like we do over ours.

Well, the poster said a "good artist" told him that. Even so, perhaps your group were good artists but misguided on just this one issue. Another anecdote, I saw a thing on ice sculptors; there were two really amazing artists and they were arguing about which one used better tools. One artist used an angle grinder exclusively for almost everything and the other used hand chisels exclusively for detail. It doesn't seem…

I don't think these were thinking that a particular tool is necessary for creating good art, either. It is more about the fact that any craftsman becomes quite attached to their particular tools.

This is the root cause of the endless Vi vs. Emacs debates as well.

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