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Post by Viliam1234 »

throw987987123 wrote: post #826
COAGULOPATH wrote: post #737

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In some domains (math and code), progress is still very fast. In others it has slowed or arguably stopped. We see little progress in "soft" skills like creative writing. EQBench is a benchmark that tests LLM ability to write stories, narratives, and poems. The winning models are mostly tiny Gemma finetunes with single-digit parameter counts. Huge foundation models with hundreds of billions of parameters (Claude 3 Opu…

It feels ironic if the only thing that the current wave of Ai enables (other than novelty cases) is a cutdown of software/coding jobs. I don't see it replacing math professionals too soon for a variety of reasons. From an outsiders perspective on the software industry it is like it's practioners voted to make themselves redundant - that seems to be the main takeaway of ai to normal non tech people ive chatted with. M…

> many professions have license requirements, unions, professional bodies, etc to enforce this scarcity on the behalf on their members. After all a scarce career in most economies is one not just of wealth but higher social standing.

Well, that's good for them, but bad for humanity in general.

If we had a choice between a system where doctors get high salary and lot of social status, or a system where everyone can get perfect health by using a cheap device, and someone would choose the former, it would make perfect sense to me to call such person evil. The financial needs of doctors should not outweigh the health needs of humanity.

On a smarter planet we would have a nice system to compensate people for losing their privilege, so that they won't oppose progress. For example, every doctor would get a generous unconditional basic income for the rest of their life, and then they would be all replaced by cheap devices that would give us perfect health. Everyone would benefit, no reason to complain.

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Post by skinnymuch »

leptons wrote: post #869
cubefox wrote: post #795

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The war would be about world domination. There can at most one such country. The same reason why a nuclear war between US and SU could have happened.

Soviet Union didn't do so much business with the U.S., they are a country of thugs that think violence is the only way to get their way. China is very different. Their economy is very much dependent on trade with the U.S. and they know that trying to have "world domination" would also crash their economy completely. China would much rather engage in economic warfare than military.

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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by snovv_crash »

camus21 wrote: post #937
d0mine wrote: post #931

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I know nothing on the topic but why would one use bitcoin to buy drugs? Aren't all bitcoin transactions public and immutable?

Yes but they’re also anonymous. You don’t have your name attached to the account and there’s no paperwork/bank that’s keeping track of any large/irregular financial transactions

So, exactly like cash?

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by throw987987123 »

Viliam1234 wrote: post #941
throw987987123 wrote: post #826

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It feels ironic if the only thing that the current wave of Ai enables (other than novelty cases) is a cutdown of software/coding jobs. I don't see it replacing math professionals too soon for a variety of reasons. From an outsiders perspective on the software industry it is like it's practioners voted to make themselves redundant - that seems to be the main takeaway of ai to normal non tech people ive chatted with. M…

> many professions have license requirements, unions, professional bodies, etc to enforce this scarcity on the behalf on their members. After all a scarce career in most economies is one not just of wealth but higher social standing. Well, that's good for them, but bad for humanity in general. If we had a choice between a system where doctors get high salary and lot of social status, or a system where everyone can ge…

That's a moral argument, one with a certain ideloogy that isn't shared by most people rightly or wrongly. Especially if AI only replaces certain industries which it looks like to be the more likely option. Even if it is, I don't think it is shared by the people investing in AI unless someone else (i.e. taxpayers) will pay for it. Socialise the losses (loss of income), privatise the profits (efficiency gains). Makes me think the AI proponents are a little hypocritical. Taxpayers may not to afford that in many countries, that's reality. For software workers we need to note only the US mostly has been paid well, many more software workers worldwide don't have the luxury/pay to afford that altruism. I don't think it's wrong for people who have to skill up to want some compensation for that, there is other moral imperatives that require making a living.

On a nicer planet sure, we would have a system like that. But most of the planet is not like that - the great advantage of the status quo is that even people who are naturally not altruistic somewhat co-operate with each other due to mutual need. Besides there is ways to mitigate that and still give the required services especially if they are commonly required. The doctors example - certain countries have worked it out without resorting to AI risks. I'm not against AI ironically in this case either, there is a massive shortage of doctors services that can absorb the increased abundance Imv - most people don't put software in the same category. There is bad sides to humanity with regards to losing our mutual dependence on each other as well (community, valuing the life of others, etc) - I think sadly AI allows for many more negatives than simply withholding skills for money if not managed right, even that doesn't happen everywhere today and is a easier problem to solve. The loss of any safe intelligent jobs for climbing and evening out social mobility due to mutual dependence of skills (even the rich can't learn everything and so need to outsource) is one of them.

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Post by JimmyBuckets »

willguest wrote: post #355
JimmyBuckets wrote: post #161

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Can you hash out what you mean by your last paragraph a bit more? What incentive structures in particular?

I suppose it comes down to using the metric as the measure, whatever makes the company the most money will be the preferred route, and the mechanisms by which we achieve those sales are rarely given enough thought. It reflect a more timeless mantra of 'if someone is willing to pay for it, then the offering is valuable' willfully ignoring negative psycho-social impacts. It's a convenient abdication of responsibility s…

This was a fantastic reply, thank you! I fully agree with you but I wanted to ask for elaboration because your last comment was so eloquent.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by throw987987123 »

kobenni wrote: post #881
throw987987123 wrote: post #826

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It feels ironic if the only thing that the current wave of Ai enables (other than novelty cases) is a cutdown of software/coding jobs. I don't see it replacing math professionals too soon for a variety of reasons. From an outsiders perspective on the software industry it is like it's practioners voted to make themselves redundant - that seems to be the main takeaway of ai to normal non tech people ive chatted with. M…

It may seem this way from an outsiders perspective, but I think the intersection between people who work on the development of state-of-the-art LLMs and people who get replaced is practically zero. Nobody is making themselves redundant, just some people make others redundant (assuming LLMs are even good enough for that, not that I know if they are) for their own gain.

Somewhat true, but again from an outsiders perspective that just shows your industry is divided and therefore will be conquered. I.e. if AI gets good enough to do software and math I don't even see AI engineers for example as anything special.

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Post by djeastm »

lurking_swe wrote: post #734
DanHulton wrote: post #215

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I sincerely worry about a future when most people act in this same manner. You have - for now - sufficient experience and understanding to be able to review the AI's code and decide if it was doing what you wanted it to. But what about when you've spent months just blindly accepting" what the AI tells you? Are you going to be familiar enough with the project anymore to catch its little mistakes? Or worse, what about…

nothing prevents you from asking an LLM to explain a snippet of code. And then ask it to explain deeper. And then finally doing some quick googling to validate the answers seem correct. Blindly accepting code used to happen all the time, people copy pasted from stack overflow.

>And then finally doing some quick googling to validate the answers seem correct.

There will come a time when there won't be anyone writing information to check against. It'll be AI all the way down. Or at least it will be difficult to discern what's AI or what isn't.

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Post by kenjackson »

salawat wrote: post #925
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Actually humans are much worse in this regard. The top performer on my team had a divorce and his productivity dropped by like a factor of 3 and quality fell of a cliff. Another example from just yesterday is I needed to solve a complex recurrence relation. A friend of mine who is good at math (math PhD) helped me for about 30 minutes still without a solution and a couple of false starts. Then he said try ChatGPT and…

>Actually humans are much worse in this regard. The top performer on my team had a divorce and his productivity dropped by like a factor of 3 and quality fell of a cliff. Wow. Nice of you to see a coworker go through a traumatic life event, and the best you can drudge up is to bitch about lost productivity and decrease in selfless output of quality to someone else's benefit when they are at the time trying to stitch…

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Post by dang »

bschmidt1 wrote: post #819
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There is a difference between “being useful” and living up to galactic-scale hype.

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dang wrote: post #949
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