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TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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"I'm getting paid so I don't really care" is the most destructive instance a human can take. Why do you think we're about to disrupt the Holocene climate optimum that gave birth to modern civilization?

I’m getting pretty rich programming not using AI. This is an answer to me being a bad coder. My income has nothing to do with AI apart from maybe 1% me being more productive since Claude 3.5 dropped. Be assured I’m not going to destroy the planet.

By yourself? Hardly. We all are by demanding top dollar for sitting on computers while demanding to buy cheap things without limits.

But we're getting paid right? And the Prime van will keep delivering.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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idk. about Claude 3.5 but if you remove implicit subventions from the AI/AGI hype then for many such tools the cost to benefit calculation of creating and operating will become ... questionable furthermore the places where such tools tend to shine the most often places where the IT industry has somewhat failed, like unnecessary verbose and bothersome to use tools, missing tooling and troublesome code reuse (so you wr…

The scaling laws coming to mind. This concern becomes trivial as we scale. Its like worrying that your calculator app running on your phone could be more efficient when adding two numbers.

The problem is that the scaling law goes in two directions, things becoming (potential exponential) cheaper because they are done (produced) a lot and things becoming _(potential exponential) more expensive_ because the scale you try to archive so so much beyond what is sustainable (or in other word the higher the demand for a limited resource becomes the more expensive it becomes).

Similar this law isn't really a law for a good reason, it doesn't always work. Not everything gets cheaper (in a relevant amount) at scale.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

One time long ago there were people living on an island who had never had contact with anybody else. They marveled at the nature around them and dreamed of harnessing it. They looked up at the moon at night and said "Some day we will go there." But they lived in grass huts and the highest they had ever been off the ground was when they climbed a tree. One day a genius was born on the island. She built a structure tal…

Really feel like this story backfires when you remember that people did go to the moon. It only took 63 years to go from the first airplane to landing on the moon.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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> Do you honestly think that once we're able to build AI that _fully_ mimics humans by every measurement we have, What made you think that is measurable and if it is then we can build something like that ever ? I already linked https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/this-one-important-fact-ab... did you read it?

> What made you think that is measurable and if it is then we can build something like that ever? What makes you think it isn't, and that we can't? The Turing test was proposed 75 years ago, and we have many cognitive tests today which current gen AI also passes. So we clearly have ways of measuring intelligence by whatever criteria we deem important. Even if those measurements are flawed, and we can agree that curre…

Again, the point is: you can not build AI that mimics biological intelligence because you do not even have any idea what biological intelligence even is. Once again, what's Picasso's velocity of painting?

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yes, but does your colleague even fully understand what was generated? Does he have a good mental map of the organization of the project? I have a good mental map of the projects I work on because I wrote them myself. When new business problems emerge, I can picture how to solve them using the different components of those applications. If I hadn't actually written the application myself, that expertise would not exi…

AI assistants are also quite good at helping you create a high level map of a codebase. They are able to traverse the whole project structure and functionality and explain to you how things are organized and what responsibilities are. I just went back to an old project (didn't remember much about it) and used Cursor to make a small bug fix and it helped me get it done in no time. I used it to identify where the issue…

Do you ever verify those explanations, though? Because I occasionally try having an LLM summarise an article or document I just read, and it's almost always wrong. I have my doubts that they would fare much better in "understanding" an entire codebase.

My constant suspicion is that most results people are so impressed with were just never validated.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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He's a Steve Jobs type C-level manager. The actual knowledge people are scientists such as Ilya Sutskever et al., many of whom left their company over the past year. The question is whether LLMs are going to plateau. Either OpenAI and the tech industry system can keep progress going, or else more basic science is needed, in which case a government-project level of coordination is needed instead.

>He's a Steve Jobs type C-level manager. Steve Jobs actually knows a lot more about many things than most people realise.

Same could be said of Sam Altman, doesn't change the fact that they are not trained scientists i.e. knowledge workers.

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This assumes that the bottleneck to profitability is the limit of software engineers they can afford to hire. If they’re happy with current rate of progress (and in many companies that is the case), then a productivity increase of 100% means they need half the current number of engineers.

what company have you ever worked for that was happy with the current rate of progress in software development?

Is the reason for development on features going slow usually the number of developers though? Nowhere I’ve worked has that really been the case, it’s usually fumbled strategic decision making and pivots.

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The thing is my gut is telling me this is a nothing burger, and I'll listen to my own gut before yours - a random internet person insisting this is going to change the world. So what exactly is the usefulness of this discussion? You think "I'll trust my gut" is a useful argument in a debate?

I'm convinced that the "LLMs are useless" contingent on HN is just psychological displacement. It hurts the pride of technical people that there's a revolution going on that they aren't involved in. Easier to just deny it or act like it's unimpressive.

Or it's technical people who have been around for a few of these revolutions, which revolved and revolved until they disappeared into nothing but a lot of burned VC, to recognise the pattern? That's where I'd place my own cynicism. My bullshit radar has proven to be pretty reliable over the past few decades in this industry, and it's been blaring on highest levels for a while about this.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

One time long ago there were people living on an island who had never had contact with anybody else. They marveled at the nature around them and dreamed of harnessing it. They looked up at the moon at night and said "Some day we will go there." But they lived in grass huts and the highest they had ever been off the ground was when they climbed a tree. One day a genius was born on the island. She built a structure tal…

This analogy breaks down when you consider what "attention is all you need" did for us.

A mere 5 years ago I was firmly on the camp (alongside linguists mainly) that believed intelligence requires more than just lots of data and a next token predictor. I was clearly wrong and would have lost a $1000 bet it I had put my money where my mouth was back then. Anyone not noticing how far things have come I think are mostly moving goalposts and falling to hindsight bias.

A better analogy is that the genius person in the village built a step ladder made of carbon nanotubules. Some people proclaimed "All with have to do is keep going and we can reach the moon with a very tall ladder!' Other people - many quite smart - proclaimed reasonably: "This is impossible. You are not realizing the unique challenges and materials we have not yet researched we need to build something like that."

Some in society kept building. The ladder kept getting higher. They run into issues like oxygen and balance so the ladder is redesigned into an elevator. Challenges came and were thought insurmountable until redesigns were still found to work with the miraculous carbon nanotubule material which seemed like a panacea for every construction ill.

Regardless of how high the now elevator gets and regardless of how many times the elevator gets higher than what the naysayers firmly believed is impossible the same naysayers keep saying they will never get much higher.

And higher the elevator grows.

Eventually a limit is reached, but that limit ends up being far higher than any naysayers ever thought possible. And when the limit is reached the naysayers all gathered and said "told you this would be the limit and that it was impossible!'

The naysayers failed to see the carbon nanotubules for the revolutionary potential that it had, even if they were correct that it wasn't enough.

And little did everyone know that their society was mere months ago from another genius being born that would give them another catalyst on the order of carbon nano tubules that would again lead to dramatic unexpected and long-term gains to how high the elevator can grow.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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I'm convinced that the "LLMs are useless" contingent on HN is just psychological displacement. It hurts the pride of technical people that there's a revolution going on that they aren't involved in. Easier to just deny it or act like it's unimpressive.

Or it's technical people who have been around for a few of these revolutions, which revolved and revolved until they disappeared into nothing but a lot of burned VC, to recognise the pattern? That's where I'd place my own cynicism. My bullshit radar has proven to be pretty reliable over the past few decades in this industry, and it's been blaring on highest levels for a while about this.

Deep learning has already proven its worth. Google translate is an example on the older side. As LLMs go, I can take a picture of a tree or insect and upload it and have an LLM identify it in seconds. I can paste a function that doesn't work into an LLM and it will usually identify the problems. These are truly remarkable steps forward.

How can I account for the cynicism that's so common on HN? It's got to be a psychological mechanism.

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