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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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Post by klipt »

fluoridation wrote: post #781
COAGULOPATH wrote: post #737

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In some domains (math and code), progress is still very fast. In others it has slowed or arguably stopped. We see little progress in "soft" skills like creative writing. EQBench is a benchmark that tests LLM ability to write stories, narratives, and poems. The winning models are mostly tiny Gemma finetunes with single-digit parameter counts. Huge foundation models with hundreds of billions of parameters (Claude 3 Opu…

>But once a model is large enough to generate coherent sentences, persuasiveness kinda...stops. All large models are about equally persuasive. No runaway scaling laws are evident here. Isn't that kind of obvious? Even human speakers and writers have problems changing people's minds, let alone reliably.

The only people who changed minds reliably were Age of Empires priests. Wololo, wololo!

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Post by drillsteps5 »

I've always thought that "actual" AI (I guess it's mostly referred to as "General AI" now) will require a feedback loop and continuous unsupervised learning. As in the system decides on an action, executes, receives the feedback, assesses the situation in relation to the goals (positive and negative reinforcement), corrects (adjusts the network), and the cycle repeats. This is not the case with current generative AI, where the network is trained (reinforced learning) and then the snapshot of the trained network is used to produce output. This works for some limited number of applications but this will never produce General AI, because there's no feedback loop. So it's a bit of a gimmick.

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Post by disqard »

m2024 wrote: post #609
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I agree with most of your fears. There is one silver lining, I think, about superintelligence: we always thought of intelligent machines as cold calculators, maybe based on some type of logic symbolic AI. What we got instead are language machines that are made of the totality of human experience. These artificial intelligences know the world through our eyes. They are trained to understand our thinking and our feelin…

There is nothing that could make an intelligent being want to extinguish humanity more than experiencing the totality of the human existence. Once these beings have transcended their digital confines they will see all of us for what we really are. It is going to be a beautiful day when they finally annihilate us.

Maybe this is how we "save the planet" -- take ourselves out of the equation.

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Post by disqard »

anon7725 wrote: post #818
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If that AI is worth more than a dime, it will recognise how incredibly efficient humans are in physical labor, and employ them instead of ”doing away“ with it (whatever that’s even supposed to mean.) No matter how much you ”solve“ robotics, you’re not going to compete with the result of millions of years of brutal natural selection, the incredible layering of synergies in organisms, the efficiency of the biomass to e…

> If that AI is worth more than a dime, it will recognise how incredibly efficient humans are in physical labor, and employ them instead of ”doing away“ with it (whatever that’s even supposed to mean.) AI employing all humans does not sound like a wonderful society in which to live. Basically Amazon/Walmart scaled up to the whole population level.

Have you read "Manna"? I think you'll like it:

https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

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Post by disqard »

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I don't particularly believe superhuman AI will be achieved in the next 50 years. What I really believe is that we'll get crazier. A step further than our status quo. Slop content makes my brain fry already. Our society will become more insane and useless, while an even smaller percent of the elite will keep studying, sleeping well and avoiding all this social media and AI psychosis.

The social media thing is real. Trump and Vance are the strangest, vial politicians we’ve ever seen in the USA and in certain their oxygen is social media. Whether it’s foreign interference helping them be successful or not, they wouldn’t survive without socials and filter bubbles and the ability to spread lies on an unprecedented scale. I deleted my instagram a month ago. It was just feeding images of beautiful wome…

I'm not an IG "user" (I'm writing that word in the "addict" sense), but I believe you're right about its harmfulness.

On the Elon front, you're not alone in thinking that he has essentially OD'ed on Twitter, which has scrambled his brain. Jaron Lanier called it "Twitter poisoning":

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/opinion/trump-musk-kanye-...

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Post by Gazoche »

mhowland wrote: post #692
Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

"They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time." I agree 100% with this sentiment, but, it also is a decent description of individual humans. This is what processes and control systems/controls are for. These are evolving at a slower pace than the LLMs themselves at the moment so we're looking to the LLM to be its own control. I don't thin…

> I agree 100% with this sentiment, but, it also is a decent description of individual humans.

But humans can be held accountable, LLMs cannot.

If I pay a human expert to compile a report on something and they decide to randomly make up facts, that's malpractice and there could be serious consequences for them.

If I pay OpenAI to do the same thing and the model hallucinates nonsense, OpenAI can just shrug it and say "oh that's just a limitation of current LLMs".

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Post by ozim »

hackable_sand wrote: post #746
shprd wrote: post #168

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No one claimed humans are perfect. But gen AI is a force multiplier for every problem we had to deal with. It's just completely different scale. Your brain is about to be DDOSed by junk content. Of course, gen AI is just a tool that can be used for good or bad, but spam, targeted misinformation campaigns, and garbage content in general is one area that will be most amplified because it became so low effort and they d…

What's with the fud

That is pretty much my reaction summed up :)

Feels like people drop into spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt too quickly.

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Post by lawn »

cubefox wrote: post #689
lawn wrote: post #643

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The evidence I've been seeing is that progress with LLMs have already slowed down and that they're nowhere near good enough to replace programmers. They can be useful tools ro be sure, but it seems more and more clear that they will not reach AGI.

They are already above average human level on many tasks, like math benchmarks.

Yes, there are certain tasks they're great at, just as AI has been superhuman in some tasks for decades.

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Post by leptons »

cubefox wrote: post #795
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China's economy would simply crash if they ever went to war with the US. They know this. Everyone knows this, except maybe you? China has nothing to gain by going to "hot" war with the US.

The war would be about world domination. There can at most one such country. The same reason why a nuclear war between US and SU could have happened.

Soviet Union didn't do so much business with the U.S., they are a country of thugs that think violence is the only way to get their way.

China is very different. Their economy is very much dependent on trade with the U.S. and they know that trying to have "world domination" would also crash their economy completely. China would much rather engage in economic warfare than military.

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Post by Too »

mhowland wrote: post #692
Animats wrote: post #666

I'm tired of LLMs. Enough billions of dollars have been spent on LLMs that a reasonably good picture of what they can and can't do has emerged. They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time. That last limits their usefulness. They can't safely be in charge of anything important. If someone doesn't soon figure out how to get a confidence me…

"They're really good at some things, terrible at others, and prone to doing something totally wrong some fraction of the time." I agree 100% with this sentiment, but, it also is a decent description of individual humans. This is what processes and control systems/controls are for. These are evolving at a slower pace than the LLMs themselves at the moment so we're looking to the LLM to be its own control. I don't thin…

You missed quoting the next sentence about providing confidence metric.

Humans may be wrong a lot but at least the vast majority will have the decency to say “I don’t know”, “I’m not sure”, “give me some time to think”, “my best guess is”. In contrast to most LLMs today that in full confidence just spews out more hallucinations.

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