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Post by jcranmer »

leobg wrote: post #135
redleader55 wrote: post #41

He seems to be the same kind of individual as Musk: able to bring together teams that build great things, but also able to bring about drama and ego. The whole musical chair act with profit/non-profit OpenAI, and getting rid of many of the folks that created the models they are famous for.

I’m sure he’d love that comparison. But Elon is responsible for PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, OpenAI and now Grok. I have a Starlink antenna on my roof because of him, and I take my kids to school safely and quietly in a car that, 15 years ago, someone willing to spend 20 million dollars would not have been able to buy. Sam? An iris scanning crypto scam. I think that’s all he ever got off the ground. With ChatGPT, he positi…

> Elon is responsible for PayPal

Actually, he was responsible for the competitor that PayPal bought out because the market wasn't big enough for two companies, and was forced out of PayPal because he was pushing ruinously bad ideas.

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Post by CharlieDigital »

EraYaN wrote: post #207
iphoneisbetter wrote: post #165

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Or maybe, just maybe, TSMC has gaslit all of us to think it is much harder than it really is. If Taiwan isn't needed for its chips, what is the strategic interest of the USG?

TSMC has way to many competitors for this to make sense. And besides one very important key supplier who has huge wait lists for their EUV stuff, ASML.

Sometimes the evidence speaks for itself. I'm not an expert in this field, but the fact that literally no one in the world can compete toe to toe with TSMC is a sign of ... something. If nothing else, "Taiwan #1".

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Post by lupusreal »

aithrowawaycomm wrote: post #196
Jach wrote: post #138

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IBM Watson was more than a couple years back. The Jeopardy event was in 2011. It's currently 2024. As for cars, I don't know what you're referring to specifically, and the hype is still ongoing as far as I can tell. It has taken 10+ years to get to present day, from the start of the "deep learning revolution" around 2010. I vaguely recall Uber promising self-driving pickups somewhere around 8-10 years ago. A main dif…

> Waymo alone services tens of thousands of autonomous rides per month (edit: see sibling comment, I was out of date, it's currently hundreds of thousands of rides per month -- but see, increasingly) But they aren't particularly autonomous, there's a fleet of humans watching the Waymos carefully and frequently intervening for the case where every 10-20 miles or so the system makes a stupid decision that needs human i…

Centuries seems like quite a stretch, we haven't even been doing this computer stuff for one century yet.

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Post by nativeit »

binocarlos wrote: post #30
jsheard wrote: post #20

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There's no accounting for taste, but keep in mind that all of these services are currently losing money, so how much would you actually be willing to pay for the service you're currently getting in order to let it break even? There was a report that Microsoft is losing $20 for every $10 spent on Copilot subscriptions, with heavy users costing them as much as $80 per month. Assuming you're one of those heavy users, wo…

I would pay hundreds of dollars per month for the combination of cursor and claude - I could not get my head around it when my beginner lever colleague said "I just coded this whole thing using cursor". It was an entire web app, with search filters, tree based drag and drop GUIs, the backend api server, database migrations, auth and everything else. Not once did he need to ask me a question. When I asked him "how lon…

Considering the current state of the industry, and the prevailing corporate climate, are you sure your job is about to get easier, or are you about to experience cuts to both jobs and pay?

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Post by skydhash »

fhd2 wrote: post #154
aniviacat wrote: post #77

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Current LLMs fail if what you're coding is not the most common of tasks. And a simple web app is about as basic as it gets. I've tried using LLMs for some libraries I'm working on, and they failed miserably. Trying to make an LLM implement a trait with a generic type in Rust is a game of luck with very poor chances. I'm sure LLMs can massively speed up tasks like front-end JavaScript development, simple Python script…

That's still valuable though: For problem validation. It lowers the table stakes for building any sort of useful software, which all start simple. Personally, I just use the hell out of Django for that. And since tools like that are already ridiculously productive, I don't see much upside from coding assistants. But by and large, so many of our tools are so surprisingly _bad_ at this, that I expect the LLM hype to ha…

The problem Django solves is popular, which is why we have so many great frameworks that shorten the implementation time (I use Laravel for that). Just like game engines or GUI libraries, assuming you understand the core concepts of the domain. And if the tool was very popular and the LLMs have loads of data to train on, there may be a small productivity tick by finding common patterns (small because if the patterns are common enough, you ought to find a library/plugin for it).

Bad tools often falls in three categories. Too simple, too complex, or unsuitable. For the last two, you'd better switch but there's the human element of sunken costs.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

snowwrestler wrote: post #162
dizzydes wrote: post #72

Three things that get me about current AI discourse: - The public focus on AGI is almost a distraction. By the time we get to AGI highly-specialised models will have taken jobs from huge swaths of the population, SWE and CS are already in play. - That AI will need to carry out every task a role does to replace it. I see this a lot on HN. What if SWEs get 50% more efficient and they fire half? That's still a gigantic…

If an AI can do my job, why would my employer fire me? Why wouldn’t they be excited to get 200% productivity out of me for the marginal cost of an AI seat license? A lot of the predictions of job loss are predicated on an unspoken assumption that we’re sitting at “task maximum” so any increase in productivity must result in job loss. It’s only true if there is no more work to be done. But no one seems to be willing o…

> If an AI can do my job, why would my employer fire me? Why wouldn’t they be excited to get 200% productivity out of me for the marginal cost of an AI seat license?

They’d be excited at getting 100x of 100% output out an AI for 20 dollars a month and laying you off as redundant. If you aren’t scared of the potential of this technology you are lying to yourself.

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Post by layer8 »

abm53 wrote: post #128
ben_w wrote: post #82

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> Current LLMs fail if what you're coding is not the most common of tasks Succeeding on the most common tasks (which isn't exactly what you said) is identical to "they're useful".

And I would go further… these “common tasks” cover 80% of the work in even the most demanding engineering or research positions.

That’s absolutely not my experience. I struggle to find tasks in my day to day work where LLMs are saving me time. One reason is that the systems and domains I work with are hardly represented at all on the internet.

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Post by zooq_ai »

Remember when the Russians mocked Elon Musk for his rocket purchase?

Remember when Blockbuster mocked Netflix?

Remember when Steve Ballmer mocked the iPhone?

Remember when Zuck was mocked for the Metaverse?

I'm pretty sure Sam would have heard similar mockings like "You can't take on Google behemoth, podcaster bro" before.

But the sad part is, the newer tech generation is so brainwashed that it takes the side of the mocker instead of the mockee.

Watch Sam partner with some other fab like Intel and make TSMC irrelevant. Of course HN will then side with Sam

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Post by chmod775 »

jsheard wrote: post #20
JanSt wrote: post #16

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Using Claude 3.5 Sonnet in Cursor Composer already shows huge benefits for coding. I'm more productive than ever before. The models are still getting better and better. I'm not saying AGI is right around the corner or that we will reach it, but the benefits are undeniable. o1 added test-time compute. No need to be snarky.

There's no accounting for taste, but keep in mind that all of these services are currently losing money, so how much would you actually be willing to pay for the service you're currently getting in order to let it break even? There was a report that Microsoft is losing $20 for every $10 spent on Copilot subscriptions, with heavy users costing them as much as $80 per month. Assuming you're one of those heavy users, wo…

> There was a report that Microsoft is losing $20 for every $10 spent on Copilot subscriptions, with heavy users costing them as much as $80 per month. Assuming you're one of those heavy users, would you pay >$80 a month for it?

I'm probably one of those "heavy users", though I've only been using it for a month to see how well it does. Here's my review:

Large completions (10-15 lines): It will generally spit out near-working code for any codemonkey-level framework-user frontend code, but for anything more it'll be at best amusing and a waste of time.

Small completions (complete current line): Usually nails it and saves me a few keystrokes.

The downside is that it competes for my attention/screen space against good old auto-completion, which costs me productivity every time it fucks up. Having to go back and fix identifiers in which it messed up the capitalization/had typos, where basic auto-complete wouldn't have failed is also annoying.

I'd pay about about $40 right now because at least it has some entertainment value, being technologically interesting.

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Post by skydhash »

maroonblazer wrote: post #206
gambiting wrote: post #187

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I work in video games, I've tried several AI assistants for C++ coding and they are all borderline useless for anything beyond writing some simple for loops. Not enough training data to be useful I bet, but I guess that's where the disparity is - web apps, python....that has tonnes of publicly available code that it can train on. Writing code that manages GPU calls on a PS5? Yeah, good luck with that.

Presumably Sony is sitting on decades worth of code for each of the PlayStation architectures. How long before they're training their own models and making those available to their studios' developers?

I don't think sony have these codes, more likely the finished build. And all the major studios have game engines for their core product (or they license one). The most difficult part is writing new game mechanics or supporting a new platform.
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