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Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
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Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#112The worst thing about this, to me, is that Windows Mail client, the one they're discontinuing, is a fantastic piece of software. It's simple, lean, capable, and elegantly designed. It's perfect for a novice computer user to check their email on. The new cloud thing is worse in every way. It confusingly copies your email over from your email provider's servers onto Microsoft's servers, and then shows an ad that looks…
> I miss the time when Microsoft wanted to make useful software. This move seems to be in line with the Microsoft I know. They have always done it - ruin good things. There have been many MS products over the years and they have all turned to shit. As soon as Microsoft did something good, they always come out with a new version that is terrible. It's the most Microsoft thing ever, in my opinion.
Like Microsoft GitHub?
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#113The MSFT P/E ratio went up from around 10 in 2010 to 37 now. Presumably due to hype strategies like Azure and AI. Why do businesses tolerate the spying and data collection? Is there no industrial espionage? A German university advised researchers not to use Skype due to the possibility of research theft. It's a pretty dangerous game that MSFT is playing here. What goes up can come down.
No idea... A current client (a Fortune 500 company worth billions and all of that money is in software developed over 50+ years) is currently migrating to Github... Also Copilot was rolled out to everyone a couple of months ago. So it seems there is zero concern for giving all data to MS and paying through the nose for the privilege... Insanity.
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#114Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#115The worst thing about this, to me, is that Windows Mail client, the one they're discontinuing, is a fantastic piece of software. It's simple, lean, capable, and elegantly designed. It's perfect for a novice computer user to check their email on. The new cloud thing is worse in every way. It confusingly copies your email over from your email provider's servers onto Microsoft's servers, and then shows an ad that looks…
> I miss the time when Microsoft wanted to make useful software. This move seems to be in line with the Microsoft I know. They have always done it - ruin good things. There have been many MS products over the years and they have all turned to shit. As soon as Microsoft did something good, they always come out with a new version that is terrible. It's the most Microsoft thing ever, in my opinion.
MS is such a behemoth it doesn't really need to try. They know a captive audience of Windows and Office users are just going to use whatever they build because it's there, not because it's better than the competition.
Why pay for an email client when you have Outlook? Why pay for Slack when you have Teams? Why pay for cloud storage when you have OneDrive?
Could make the same argument for any giant corporation really: they don't need to innovate to survive, they don't need to do better to survive, they just have to keep using their muscle and their size to stay ahead.
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#116The worst thing about this, to me, is that Windows Mail client, the one they're discontinuing, is a fantastic piece of software. It's simple, lean, capable, and elegantly designed. It's perfect for a novice computer user to check their email on. The new cloud thing is worse in every way. It confusingly copies your email over from your email provider's servers onto Microsoft's servers, and then shows an ad that looks…
checkout WinoMail, more or less a open source clone of Windows Mail: https://github.com/bkaankose/Wino-Mail
I wish I knew about this when I set up my grandmother's new computer earlier this year. She has gotten used to using windows mail and I had to explain to her how to tell the difference between her own emails and ads that look exactly like her own emails.
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#117The problem is not that email gets moved to "the cloud" - naturally, email has always lived on somebody's servers. The problem is non-tech people get tricked into doing something they would likely not want if they understood the implications - like, allowing MS to copy all of your existing email from a different account (say, gmail), when all you want is to manage multiple accounts from a single piece of software. Th…
And then probing the e-mails, learning everything there is to know about you.
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#118Folks, don't complain. You wanted the cloud, you're getting the cloud.
Didn't Cisco try to revert by putting some cloud back locally and we ended up with Fog computing?
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think yes, and it really boils down to role separation. For everything. An example being cable companies. They should have no capability to own TV stations, media creators, news companies, the list goes on. Backbone is backbone, be it an internet connection, or a TV/video feed. Back to Microsoft you can make an OS, or you can make apps, but not both. An OS being a 'backbone'. Applies to Google. "Search" vs "Ads". B…
How would you suggest splitting up a heavily vertically integrated company, like eg Apple? Does Google search become a paid subscription product in your vision of separation of search vs ads?
Apple TV can be separate, as can their music stuff. Other than that I'm not sure.
Re: Microsoft's new Outlook client moves your email to the cloud (2023)
#120Outlook (new) (Windows desktop client) is one of the worst product from MS I've used in recent years. The lack of polishing is staggering. Let's be fair first, it works most of time (I know it's a low bar). And I actually prefer its aesthetics than the Outlook (classic) and Mail app. Now, back to its bugs/issues: 1. Open an email in a search folder will not mark it as read. This is the biggest gripe I have. Since Out…
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