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“the King stay the King.” —- D’Angelo Barksdale
“Original King Julius is on the line.” - Sacha Baron Cohen
King Julien
Mira Murati leaves OpenAI
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Which is arguably a good thing (having AGI spread amongst multiple entities rather than one leader).
How is that good? An arms race increases the pressure to go fast and disregard alignment safety, non proliferation is essential.
Probably off-topic for this thread but my own rather fatalist view is alignment/safety is a waste of effort if AGI will happen. True AGI will be able to self-modify at a pace beyond human comprehension, and won't be obligated to comply with whatever values we've set for it. If it can be reined in with human-set rules like a magical spell, then it is not AGI. If humans have free will, then AGI will have it too. Humans frequently go rogue and reject value systems that took decades to be baked into them. There is no reason to believe AGI won't do the same.
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Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.
Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.
not for two sigma
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#434I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no e…
It sounds like you probably are already aware, but perhaps most people don't take statements like those at face value but we have all been conditioned to "shut up and move on", by people who appear to be able to hold our careers hostage if we displease them.
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#435Similar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end). Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years. The writing is on the wall for OpenA…
I follow the latest updates to FSD and it's clear to me that they are getting closer to robotaxis really fast.
Yeah I follow it too. There is progress for sure, one have to wonder if the CEO was very consciously lying 5, 8 years ago when he said they are less than 1 year away from robotaxis, given how shitty the system was.
They are on a path of linear improvement. They would need to go on a path of exponential improvement to have any hope of a working robotaxi in the next 2 years.
That's not happening at all.
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I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.
Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.
We lie about our successes why would we not lie about our failures?
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#437Why is this important?
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I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close
it can actually solve problems though, its not just an illusion of intelligence if it does the stuff we considered mere years ago sufficient to be intelligent. But you and others keep moving the goalposts as benchmarks saturate, perhaps due to a misplaced pride in the specialness of human intelligence. I understand the fear, but the knee jerk response “its just predicting the next token thus could never be intelligen…
It solves problems because it was trained with the solutions to these problems that have been written down a thousand times before. A lot of people don't even consider the ability to solve problems to be a reliable indicator of human intelligence, see the constantly evolving discourse regarding standardized tests.
Attempts at autonomous AI agents are still failing spectacularly because the models don't actually have any thought or memory. Context is provided to them via prefixing the prompt with all previous prompts which obviously causes significant info loss after a few interaction loops. The level of intellectual complexity at play here is on par with nematodes in a lab (which btw still can't be digitally emulated after decades of research). This isn't a diss on all the smart people working in AI today, bc I'm not talking about the quality of any specific model available today.
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Because as we all know: Full Self Driving is just six months away.
Thanks, now I cannot unthink of this vision: developers activate the first ASI, and after 3 minutes it spits out full code and plans for a working Full Self Driving car prototype:)
I thought super-intelligence was to say self driving would be fully operational next year for 10 consecutive years?
Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI
#440Similar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end). Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years. The writing is on the wall for OpenA…
I follow the latest updates to FSD and it's clear to me that they are getting closer to robotaxis really fast.
FSD isn't getting "solved" without outlawing human drivers, period. Otherwise you are trying to solve a non-deterministic system with deterministic software under a 0% error tolerance rate. Even without human drivers you still have to deal with all the non-vehicle entities that pop onto the road from time to time. Jaywalkers alone is almost as complex to deal with as human drivers.