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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by dartos »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> like no other

Really? Anthropic seems to be popping off right now.

Kagi isn’t exactly in the AI space, but they ship features pretty frequently.

OpenAI is shipping incremental improvements to its chatgpt product.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by theGnuMe »

RobertDeNiro wrote: post #323
startupsfail wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

Greg’s wife is pretty sick. For all we know this is unrelated to the drama.

Sorry to hear that, all the best wishes to them.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by salomonk_mur »

norir wrote: post #356
davesque wrote: post #218

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> no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else Especially when they enjoy a position like hers at the most important technology company in a generation.

Time will tell about openai's true import. Right now, the jury is very much out. Even in the llm space, it is not clear that openai will be the ultimate victor. Especially if they keep hemorrhaging talent.

Still, certainly the most visible.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by theGnuMe »

jsheard wrote: post #24
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

> It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" Altmans quote was that "it's possible that we will have superintelligence in a few thousand days", which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. A few thousand days could be interpreted as 10 years or more, and by adding the "possibly" qualifier he didn't even really commit to that predicti…

To paraphrase a notable example: We will have full self driving capability next year..

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by jjtheblunt »

dartos wrote: post #391
startupsfail wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> like no other Really? Anthropic seems to be popping off right now. Kagi isn’t exactly in the AI space, but they ship features pretty frequently. OpenAI is shipping incremental improvements to its chatgpt product.

"popping off" means what?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by g8oz »

ac29 wrote: post #275
startupsfail wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> the company is still shipping, like no other Meta, Anthropic, Google, and others all are shipping state of the art models. I'm not trying to be dismissive of OpenAI's work, but they are absolutely not the only company shipping very large foundation models.

Indeed Anthropic is just as good, if not better in my sample size of one. Which is great because OpenAI as an org gives shady vibes - maybe it's just Altman, but he is running the show.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by theGnuMe »

nebula8804 wrote: post #258
ethbr1 wrote: post #193

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The issue (and I think what's behind the thinking of AI skeptics) is previous experience with the sharp edge of the Pareto principle. Current LLMs being 80% to being 100% useful doesn't mean there's only 20% effort left. It means we got the lowest-hanging 80% of utility. Bridging that last 20% is going to take a ton of work. Indeed, maybe 4x the effort that getting this far required. And people also overestimate the…

Thank You! You have explained the exact issue I (and probably many others) are seeing trying to adopt AI for work. It is because of this I don't worry about AI taking our jobs for now. You still need somewhat foundational knowledge in whatever you are trying to do in order to get that remaining 20%. Sometimes this means pushing back against the AI's solution, other times it means reframing the question, and other tim…

and here we are arguing for internet points.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by martin82 »

My guess is that OpenAI has been taken over by three letter agencies (the adults have arrived) and the people leaving now are the ones who have a conscience and refuse to build the most powerful tool for tyranny and hand it to one of the most evil governments on earth.

Sam, being the soulless grifter and scammer he is, of course will remain until the bitter end, drunk with the glimpse of power he surely got while forging backroom deals with the big boys.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by hobofan »

SadTrombone wrote: post #338
lacker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

To be fair she was also one of the employees who signed the letter to the board demanding that Altman be reinstated or she would leave the company.

Does that actually mean anything? Didn't 95% of the company sign that letter, and soon afterwards many employees stated that they felt pressured by a vocal minority of peers and supervisors to sign the letter? E.g. if most executives on her level already signed the letter, it would have been political suicide not to sign it
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