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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Her rise didn't make sense to me. Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ?

This is a very strange company to say the least.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I don’t think we’re gonna see a winter. LLMs are here to stay. Natural language interfaces are great. Embeddings are incredibly useful. They just won’t be the hottest thing since smartphones.

I just made a (IMHO) cool test with OpenAI/Linux/TCL-TK: "write a TCL/tk script file that is a "frontend" to the ls command: It should provide checkboxes and dropdowns for the different options available in bash ls and a button "RUN" to run the configured ls command. The output of the ls command should be displayed in a Text box inside the interface. The script must be runnable using tclsh" It didn't get it right the…

The issue (and I think what's behind the thinking of AI skeptics) is previous experience with the sharp edge of the Pareto principle.

Current LLMs being 80% to being 100% useful doesn't mean there's only 20% effort left.

It means we got the lowest-hanging 80% of utility.

Bridging that last 20% is going to take a ton of work. Indeed, maybe 4x the effort that getting this far required.

And people also overestimate the utility of a solution that's randomly wrong. It's exceedingly difficult to build reliable systems when you're stacking a 5% wrong solution on another 5% wrong solution on another 5% wrong solution...

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

Quite interesting that this comment is downvoted when the content is factually correct and pertinent. It's a very relevant fact that Greg Brockman recently left on his own volition. Greg was aligned with Sam during the coup. So, the fact that Greg left lends more credence to the idea that Murati is leaving on her own volition.

> It's a very relevant fact that Greg Brockman recently left on his own volition.

Except that isn’t true. He has not resigned from OpenAI. He’s on extended leave until the end of the year.

That could become an official resignation later, and I agree that that seems more likely than not. But stating that he’s left for good as of right now is misleading.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Related (possibly): OpenAI to remove non-profit control and give Sam Altman equity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41651548

Interesting that gwern predicted this as well yesterday > Translation for the rest of us: "we need to fully privatize the OA subsidiary and turn it into a B-corp which can raise a lot more capital over the next decade, in order to achieve the goals of the nonprofit, because the chief threat is not anything like existential risk from autonomous agents in the next few years or arms races, but inadequate commercializati…

With multiple correct predictions, do you think the rest of HN will start to listen to Gwern’s beliefs about OpenAI / AGI problems?

Probably not.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

most of the people seem to be leaving due to the direction where Altman is taking OpenAI. It went from a charity to him seemingly doing everything possible to monetize it for himself both directly and indirectly by him trying to raise funds for AI adjacent traditionally structured companies he controlled probably not coincidence that she resigned at almost the same time the rumors about OpenAI completely removing the…

Afaik, he's exceedingly driven to do that, because if they run out of money Microsoft gets to pick the carcass clean.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I'm sure this isn't the actual reason, but one possible interpretation is "I'm stepping away to enjoy my life+money before it's completely altered by the singularity."

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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This feels naive, especially given what we now know about Open AI.

If you care to detail supporting evidence, I'd be keen to see. Please no speculative pieces, rumor nor hearsay.

Well why was sam altman fired. it was never revealed.

CEOs get fired all the time and company puts out a statement.

I've never seen "we won't tell you why we fired our CEO" anywhere.

now he is back making totally ridiculous statments like 'AI is going to solve all of physics' or that 'AI is going to clone my brain by 2027'

This is a strange company.

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