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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by moondistance »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

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It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

VP Research Barret Zoph and Chief Research Officer Bob McGrew also announced their departures this evening.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

svara wrote: post #222
shmatt wrote: post #136

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I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

I truly think you haven't really thought this through. There's a huge amount of circuitry between the input and the output of the model. How do you know what it does or doesn't do? Humans brains "just" output the next couple milliseconds of muscle activation, given sensory input and internal state. Edit: Interestingly, this is getting downvotes even though 1) my last sentence is a precise and accurate statement of th…

> There's a huge amount of circuitry between the input and the output of the model

Yeah - but it's just a stack of transformer layers. No looping, no memory, no self-modification (learning). Also, no magic.

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Post by vicentwu »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

Past efforts leds to today's products. We need to wait to see the real imapct on the ability to ship.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by versteegen »

PollardsRho wrote: post #313
ttul wrote: post #223

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While it's true that language models are fundamentally based on statistical patterns in language, characterizing them as mere "probabilistic syllable generators" significantly understates their capabilities and functional intelligence. These models can engage in multistep logical reasoning, solve complex problems, and generate novel ideas - going far beyond simply predicting the next syllable. They can follow intrica…

> its scaling keeps going with no end in sight. Not only are we within eyesight of the end, we're more or less there. o1 isn't just scaling up parameter count 10x again and making GPT-5, because that's not really an effective approach at this point in the exponential curve of parameter count and model performance. I agree with the broader point: I'm not sure it isn't consistent with current neuroscience that our brai…

The fact that OpenAI created and released o1 doesn't mean they won't also scale models upwards or don't think it's their best hope. There's been plenty said implying that they are.

I definitely agree that AGI isn't just a matter of scaling transformers, and also as you say that they "may not be the best" for such tasks. (Vanilla transformers are extremely inefficient.) But the really important point is that transformers can do things such as abstract, reason, form world models and theories of minds, etc, to a significant degree (a much greater degree than virtually anyone would have predicted 5-10 years ago), all learnt automatically. It shows these problems are actually tractable for connectionist machine learning, without a paradigm shift as you and many others allege. That is the part I disagree with. But more breakthroughs needed.

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Post by dartos »

stocknoob wrote: post #134
eastbound wrote: post #100

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It’s a glorified grammar corrector?

TIL Math Olympiad problems are simple grammar exercises.

They do way more than correcting grammar, but tbf, they did make something like 10,000 submissions to the math Olympiad to get that score.

It’s not like it’ll do it consistently.

Just a marketing stunt.

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Post by tazu »

nojvek wrote: post #207

Prediction: OpenAI will implode by 2030 and become a smaller shell of current as they run out of money by spending too much. Prediction 2: Russia will implode by 2035, by also spending too much money.

Russia's debt to GDP ratio is 20%. The United States' debt to GDP ratio is 123%.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by leloctai »

layer8 wrote: post #39

Plain-text version for those who can’t read images: “ Hi all, I have something to share with you. After much reflection, I have made the difficult decision to leave OpenAI. My six-and-a-half years with the OpenAI team have been an extraordinary privilege. While I'll express my gratitude to many individuals in the coming days, I want to start by thanking Sam and Greg for their trust in me to lead the technical organiz…

Doesn't seems like it was written by ChatGPT. I find that amusing somehow.

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Post by dartos »

xtracto wrote: post #133
dartos wrote: post #91

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I don’t think we’re gonna see a winter. LLMs are here to stay. Natural language interfaces are great. Embeddings are incredibly useful. They just won’t be the hottest thing since smartphones.

I just made a (IMHO) cool test with OpenAI/Linux/TCL-TK: "write a TCL/tk script file that is a "frontend" to the ls command: It should provide checkboxes and dropdowns for the different options available in bash ls and a button "RUN" to run the configured ls command. The output of the ls command should be displayed in a Text box inside the interface. The script must be runnable using tclsh" It didn't get it right the…

It can work with things of very limited scope, like that you describe.

I wrote some data visualizations with Claude and aider.

For anything that someone would actually pay for (expecting the robustness of paid-for software) I don’t think we’re there.

The devil is in the details, after all. And detail is what you lose when running reality through a statistical model.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by dartos »

mise_en_place wrote: post #369
vasco wrote: post #166

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> Yet the company is still shipping, like no other If executives / high level architects / researchers are working on this quarter's features something is very wrong. The higher you get the more ahead you need to be working, C-level departures should only have an impact about a year down the line, at a company of this size.

Funny, at every corporation I've worked for, every department was still working on last quarter's features. FAANG included.

That’s exactly what they were saying. The department are operating behind the executives.
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