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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by patcon »

keeptrying wrote: post #66
codingwagie wrote: post #47

My bet is all of these people can raise 20-100M for their own startups. And they are already rich enough to retire. OpenAI is going corporate

If you keep working past $10M net worth (as all these people undoubtedly are) its usually always for legacy. I actually think Sam's vision probably scares them.

When enough ppl visibly leave and have real concerns, they can be in touch in exile, and all break NDA in synchrony.

If the stakes are as high as some believe, I presume ppl don't actually care about getting sued when they believe they're helping humanity avert existential crisis.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by timr »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #261
timr wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can dismiss any argument with your response. "Your argument is just a reductive rhetorical strategy."

Sure if you ignore context. "a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason" is a strong statement and I highly doubt it's backed by any sort of substance other than "feelz".

I didn't ignore any more context than you did, but just I want to acknowledge the irony that "context" (specifically, here, any sort of memory that isn't in the text context window) is exactly what is lacking with these models.

For example, even the dumbest dog has a memory, a strikingly advanced concept model of the world [1], a persistent state beyond the last conversation history, and an ability to reason (that doesn't require re-running the same conversation sixteen bajillion times in a row). Transformer models do not. It's really cool that they can input and barf out realistic-sounding text, but let's keep in mind the obvious truths about what they are doing.

[1] "I like food. Something that smells like food is in the square thing on the floor. Maybe if I tip it over food will come out, and I will find food. Oh no, the person looked at me strangely when I got close to the square thing! I am in trouble! I will have to do it when they're not looking."

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by llamaimperative »

alephnerd wrote: post #212
apwell23 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well why was sam altman fired. it was never revealed. CEOs get fired all the time and company puts out a statement. I've never seen "we won't tell you why we fired our CEO" anywhere. now he is back making totally ridiculous statments like 'AI is going to solve all of physics' or that 'AI is going to clone my brain by 2027' This is a strange company.

> This is a strange company. Because the old guard wanted it to remain a cliquey non-profit filled to the brim with EA, AI Alignment, and OpenPhilanthropy types, but the current OpenAI is now an enterprise company. This is just Sam Altman cleaning house after the attempted corporate coup a year ago.

When the board fires the CEO and the CEO reverses the decision, that is the coup.

The board’s only reason to exist is effectively to fire the CEO.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by apwell23 »

alephnerd wrote: post #212
apwell23 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well why was sam altman fired. it was never revealed. CEOs get fired all the time and company puts out a statement. I've never seen "we won't tell you why we fired our CEO" anywhere. now he is back making totally ridiculous statments like 'AI is going to solve all of physics' or that 'AI is going to clone my brain by 2027' This is a strange company.

> This is a strange company. Because the old guard wanted it to remain a cliquey non-profit filled to the brim with EA, AI Alignment, and OpenPhilanthropy types, but the current OpenAI is now an enterprise company. This is just Sam Altman cleaning house after the attempted corporate coup a year ago.

I think thats some rumors that they spread to make this look like a "conflict of philosophy" type bs.

There are some juicy rumors about what actually happened too. much more belivable lol .

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by apwell23 »

nebula8804 wrote: post #273
apwell23 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her rise didn't make sense to me. Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ? This is a very strange company to say the least.

>Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ? Doesn't she have a dual bachelors in Mathematics and Mechanical Engineering?

Thats what is needed to get a job as a product manager these days?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by TheAlchemist »

Similar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end).

Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years.

The writing is on the wall for OpenAI.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by dimitri-vs »

ben_w wrote: post #94
jsheard wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" Altmans quote was that "it's possible that we will have superintelligence in a few thousand days", which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. A few thousand days could be interpreted as 10 years or more, and by adding the "possibly" qualifier he didn't even really commit to that predicti…

Between 1 and 10 thousands of days, so 3 to 27 years. A range I'd agree with; for me, "pessimism" is the shortest part of that range, but even then you have to be very confident the specific metaphorical horse you're betting on is going to be both victorious in its own right and not, because there's no suitable existing metaphor, secretly an ICBM wearing a patomime costume.

Just in time for them to figure out fusion to power all the GPUs.

But really. o1 has been very whelming, nothing like the step up from 3.5 to 4. Still prefer sonnet3.5 and opus.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by SadTrombone »

lacker wrote: post #80
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

To be fair she was also one of the employees who signed the letter to the board demanding that Altman be reinstated or she would leave the company.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by bradleyjg »

SadTrombone wrote: post #338
lacker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

To be fair she was also one of the employees who signed the letter to the board demanding that Altman be reinstated or she would leave the company.

Isn’t that even worse? You write to the board, they take action on your complaints, and then you change your mind?
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