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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by nebula8804 »

bot347851834 wrote: post #210
CharlieDigital wrote: post #120

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Not really. I think actually the best use case for LLMs is "explainer". When combined with RAG, it's fantastic at taking a complex corpus of information and distilling it down into more digestible summaries.

Can you share an example of a use case you have in mind of this "explainer + RAG" combo you just described? I think that RAG and RAG-based tooling around LLMs is gonna be the clear way forward for most companies with a properly constructed knowledge base but I wonder what you mean by "explainer"?. Are you talking about asking an LLM something like "in which way did the teams working on project X deal with Y problem?"…

I'm not the OP but I got some fun ones that I think are what you are asking? I would also love to hear others interesting ideas/findings.

1. I got this medical provider that has a webapp that downloads graphql data(basically json) to the frontend and shows some of the data to the template as a result while hiding the rest. Furthermore, I see that they hide even more info after I pay the bill. I download all the data, combine it with other historical data that I have downloaded and dumped it into the LLM. It spits out interesting insights about my health history, ways in which I have been unusually charged by my insurance, and the speed at which the company operates based on all the historical data showing time between appointment and the bill adjusted for the time of year. It then formats everything into an open format that is easy for me to self host. (HTML + JS tables). Its a tiny way to wrestle back control from the company until they wise up.

2. Companies are increasingly allowing customers to receive a "backup" of all the data they have on them(Thanks EU and California). For example Burger King/Wendys allow this. What do they give you when you request data? A zip file filled with just a bunch of crud from their internal system. No worries: Dump it into the LLM and it tells you everything that the company knows about you in an easy to understand format (Bullet points in this case). You know when the company managed to track you, how much they "remember", how much money they got out of you, your behaviors, etc.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by svara »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #246
ttul wrote: post #223

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While it's true that language models are fundamentally based on statistical patterns in language, characterizing them as mere "probabilistic syllable generators" significantly understates their capabilities and functional intelligence. These models can engage in multistep logical reasoning, solve complex problems, and generate novel ideas - going far beyond simply predicting the next syllable. They can follow intrica…

> Generative video models like OpenAI's Sora clearly have a world model as they are able to simulate gravity, collisions between objects, and other concepts necessary to render a coherent scene. I won't expand on the rest, but this is simply nonsensical. The fact that Sora generates output that matches its training data doesn't show that it has a concept of gravity, collision between object, or anything else. It has…

My suspicion is that you're leaving some important parts in your logic unstated. Such as belief in a magical property within humans of "understanding", which you don't define.

The ability of video models to generate novel video consistent with physical reality shows that they have extracted important invariants - physical law - out of the data.

It's probably better not to muddle the discussion with ill defined terms such as "intelligence" or "understanding".

I have my own beef with the AGI is nigh crowd, but this criticism amounts to word play.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by nebula8804 »

apwell23 wrote: post #192
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Her rise didn't make sense to me. Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ? This is a very strange company to say the least.

>Product manager at tesla to CTO at openAI with no technical background and a deleted profile ?

Doesn't she have a dual bachelors in Mathematics and Mechanical Engineering?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by dr_dshiv »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #161
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #152

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I'm not saying you're wrong but you could use this reductive rhetorical strategy to dismiss any AI algorithm. "It's just X" is frankly shallow criticism.

And there's nothing wrong about that: the fact that _artificial intelligence_ will never lead to general intelligence isn't exactly a hot take.

It’s almost trolling at this point, though.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by ac29 »

startupsfail wrote: post #115
lacker wrote: post #80

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It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March: Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi... It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opp…

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

> the company is still shipping, like no other

Meta, Anthropic, Google, and others all are shipping state of the art models.

I'm not trying to be dismissive of OpenAI's work, but they are absolutely not the only company shipping very large foundation models.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by meiraleal »

fairity wrote: post #145
startupsfail wrote: post #115

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Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

Quite interesting that this comment is downvoted when the content is factually correct and pertinent. It's a very relevant fact that Greg Brockman recently left on his own volition. Greg was aligned with Sam during the coup. So, the fact that Greg left lends more credence to the idea that Murati is leaving on her own volition.

> Quite interesting that this comment is downvoted when the content is factually correct and pertinent.

>> Yet the company is still shipping, like no other.

this is factually wrong. Just today Meta (which I despise) shipped more than openAI in a long time.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by dyauspitr »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I doubt she’s leaving to do her own thing, I don’t think she could. She probably got pushed out.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by threeseed »

bottlepalm wrote: post #268
z7 wrote: post #42

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>Altmans quote was that AGI "could be just a few thousand days away" which sounds a lot more optimistic on the surface than it actually is. I think he was referring to ASI, not AGI.

Given that ChatGPT is already smarter and faster than humans in many different metrics. Once the other metrics catch up with humans it will still be better than humans in the existing metrics. Therefore there will be no AGI, only ASI.

My fridge is already smarter and faster than humans in many different metrics.

Has been this way since calculation machines were invented hundreds of years ago.

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