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Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by Erem »

shmatt wrote: post #136
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I feel like this is stating the obvious - but i guess not to many - but a probabilistic syllable generator is not intelligence, it does not understand us, it cannot reason, it can only generate the next syllable It makes us feel understood in the same ways John Edward used to in daytime tv, its all about how language makes us feel true AGI...unfortunately we're not even close

The only useful way to define an AGI is based on its capabilities, not its implementation details.

Based on capabilities alone, current LLMs demonstrate many of the capabilities practitioners ten years ago would have tossed into the AGI bucket.

What are some top capabilities (meaning inputs and outputs) you think are missing on the path between what we have now and AGI?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by andrewinardeer »

criticalfault wrote: post #142
chinathrow wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at ChatGPT or Claude coding output, it's already here.

Bad? I just tried Gemini and it was useless.

Google ought to hang its head in utter disgrace over the putrid swill they have the audacity to peddle under the Gemini label.

Their laughably overzealous nanny-state censorship, paired with a model so appallingly inept it would embarrass a chatbot from the 90s, makes it nothing short of highway robbery that this digital dumpster fire is permitted to masquerade as a product fit for public consumption.

The sheer gall of Google to foist this steaming pile of silicon refuse onto unsuspecting users borders on fraudulent.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by fjdjshsh »

FactKnower69 wrote: post #178
startupsfail wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Greg Brockman, OpenAI President and co-founder is also on extended leave of absence. And John Schulman, and Peter Deng are out already. Yet the company is still shipping, like no other. Recent multimodal integrations and benchmarks of o1 are outstanding.

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Is that your test suite?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by mnk47 »

criticalfault wrote: post #142
chinathrow wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at ChatGPT or Claude coding output, it's already here.

Bad? I just tried Gemini and it was useless.

Starting to wonder why this is so common in LLM discussions at HN.

Someone says "X is the model that really impressive. Y is good too."

Then someone responds "What?! I just used Z and it was terrible!"

I see this at least once in practically every AI thread

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by joshdavham »

neom wrote: post #154

Lots of speculation in the comments. Who knows, but if it was me, I wouldn't be keeping all my eggs in the OpenAI basket, 6 years and well vested with a long run of AI companies you could go to? I'd start buying a few more lottery tickets personally (especially at 35).

That was actually my first thought as well. If you’ve got your vesting and don’t wanna work in a large company setting anymore, why not go do something else?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by paulcole »

tasuki wrote: post #213
paxys wrote: post #195

I will never understand why people still take statements like these at face value. These aren't her personal thoughts and feelings. The letter was carefully crafted by OpenAI's PR team under strict direction from Sam and the board. Whatever the real story is is sitting under many layers of NDAs and threats of clawing back/diluting her shares, and we will not know it for a long time. What I can say for certain is no e…

> What I can say for certain is no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else. Do you think that's because executives are so exceedingly ambitious, or because pursuing different passions is for some reason less attractive?

It’s because they can’t imagine themselves doing it so they imagine that everyone must be like that. It’s part hubris and part lack of creativity/empathy.

Think about if you’ve ever known someone you’ve been envious of for whatever reason who did something that just perplexed you. “They dumped their gorgeous partner, how could they do that?” “They quit a dream job, how could they do that?” “They moved out of that awesome apartment, how could they do that?” “They dropped out of that elite school, how could they do that?”

Very easily actually.

You’re seeing only part of the picture. Beautiful people are just as annoying as everybody else. Every dream job has a part that sucks.

If you can’t imagine that, you’re not trying hard enough.

You can see this in action in a lot of ways. One good one is the Ultimatum Game:

https://www.core-econ.org/the-economy/microeconomics/04-stra...

Most people will end up thinking that they have an ironclad logical strategy but if you ask them about it, it’ll end up that their strategy is treating the other player as a carbon copy of themselves.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by fvv »

zooq_ai wrote: post #153
ben_w wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Between 1 and 10 thousands of days, so 3 to 27 years. A range I'd agree with; for me, "pessimism" is the shortest part of that range, but even then you have to be very confident the specific metaphorical horse you're betting on is going to be both victorious in its own right and not, because there's no suitable existing metaphor, secretly an ICBM wearing a patomime costume.

1 you use 1 2 (or even 3) you use "a couple" A few is almost always > 3 and one could argue that upper limit 15 So, 10 years to 50 years

You imply that he knows exactly when which imo is not and could even be next year for what we knows.. Who know every paper yet to be published??

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by charlie0 »

Will probably start her own company and raise a billy like her old pal Iyla. I wouldn't blame her, there's been so many articles that technical people should just start their own company instead of being CTO.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by mckirk »

fjdjshsh wrote: post #233
FactKnower69 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is that your test suite?

To be fair, that question is one of the suggested questions that OpenAI shows themselves in the UI, for the o1-preview model.

(Together with 'Is a hot dog a sandwich?', which I confess I will have to ask it now.)

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