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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by xwowsersx »

amenhotep wrote: post #48
aresant wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Failed coup? Altman managed to usurp the board's power, seems pretty successful to me

I think OP means the failed coup in which they attempted to oust Altman?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by paxys »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Regardless of where AI currently is and where it is going, you don't simply quit as CTO of the company that is leading the space by far in terms of technology, products, funding, revenue, popularity, adoption and just about everything else. She was fired, plain and simple.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by steinvakt »

romanovcode wrote: post #51
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Maybe she has inside info that it's not "around the corner". Making bigger and bigger models does not make AGI, not to mention exponential increase in power requirements for these models which would be basically unfeasible for mass market. Maybe, just maybe, we reached diminishing returns with AI, for now at least.

People have been saying that we reached the limits of AI/LLMs since GPT4. Using o1-preview (which is barely a few weeks old) for coding, which is definitely an improvement, suggests there's still solid improvements going on, don't you think?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by Barrin92 »

aresant wrote: post #30
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

>but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Just to clear one thing up, the designated function of a board of directors is to appoint or replace the executive of an organisation, and openAI in particular is structured such that the non-profit part of the organisation controls the LLC.

The coup was the executive, together with the investors, effectively turning that on its head by force.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

redbell wrote: post #73

Sutskever [1], Karpathy [2], Schulman [3], and Murati today! Who's next? Altman ?! _________________ 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40361128 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39365935 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41168904

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by fairity »

Everyone postulating that this was Sam’s bidding is forgetting that Greg also left this year, clearly on his own volition.

That makes it much more probable that these execs have simply lost faith in OpenAI.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by wantsanagent »

Apocryphon wrote: post #69
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

What if she believes AGI is imminent and is relocating to a remote location to build a Faraday-shielded survival bunker.

This is now my head-canon.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by lacker »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

It's easy to have missed this part of the story in all the chaos, but from the NYTimes in March:

Ms. Murati wrote a private memo to Mr. Altman raising questions about his management and also shared her concerns with the board. That move helped to propel the board’s decision to force him out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/technology/openai-executi...

It should be no surprise if Sam Altman wants executives who opposed his leadership, like Mira and Ilya, out of the company. When you're firing a high-level executive in a polite way, it's common to let them announce their own departure and frame it the way they want.

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