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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by romanovcode »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

Maybe she has inside info that it's not "around the corner". Making bigger and bigger models does not make AGI, not to mention exponential increase in power requirements for these models which would be basically unfeasible for mass market.

Maybe, just maybe, we reached diminishing returns with AI, for now at least.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#52

Post by optimalsolver »

amenhotep wrote: post #48
aresant wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

Failed coup? Altman managed to usurp the board's power, seems pretty successful to me

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#53

Post by tomrod »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

My take is that Altman recognizes LLM winter is coming and is trying to entrench.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by tomrod »

xur17 wrote: post #35
orionsbelt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe she thinks the _world_ is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI, not just limited to OpenAI, and she wants to compete and do her own thing (and easily raise $1B like Ilya).

Which is arguably a good thing (having AGI spread amongst multiple entities rather than one leader).

The show Person of Interest comes to mind.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by hnthrowaway6543 »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

It's likely hard for them to look at what their life's work is being used for. Customer-hostile chatbots, an excuse for executives to lay off massive amounts of middle class workers, propaganda and disinformation, regurgitated SEO blogspam that makes Google unusable. The "good" use cases seem to be limited to trivial code generation and writing boilerplate marketing copy that nobody reads anyway. Maybe they realized that if AGI were to be achieved, it would be squandered on stupid garbage regardless.

Now I am become an AI language model, destroyer of the internet.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by f0e4c2f7 »

Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

There is one clear answer in my opinion:

There is a secondary market for OpenAI stock.

It's not a public market so nobody knows how much you're making if you sell, but if you look at current valuations it must be a lot.

In that context, it would be quite hard not to leave and sell or stay and sell. What if oai loses the lead? What if open source wins? Keeping the stock seems like the actual hard thing to me and I expect to see many others leave (like early googlers or Facebook employees)

Sure it's worth more if you hang on to it, but many think "how many hundreds of M's do I actually need? Better to derisk and sell"

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#57

Post by keeptrying »

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out.

Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

#59

Post by paxys »

keeptrying wrote: post #57

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Or is it Sam who doesn't want to work with them?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by richbell »

optimalsolver wrote: post #52
amenhotep wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Failed coup? Altman managed to usurp the board's power, seems pretty successful to me

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For fun:

> In the sentence, the people responsible for the coup are implied to be Murati and Ilya. The phrase "Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam" suggests that they were the ones who attempted to remove Sam (presumably a leader or person in power) but failed, leading to a situation where they had to cooperate temporarily despite tensions.

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