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Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

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Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

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Gemini feels like an abusive relationship — every few months, they announce something exciting, and I’m hopeful that this time will be different, that they’ve finally changed for the better, but every time, I’m left regretting having spent any time with them. Their docs are awful, they have multiple unusable SDK's and the API is flaky. For example, I started bumping into "Recitation" errors - ie they issue a flat out…

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Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#23
post #13

This price drop is significant. For For comparison, GPT-4o is currently $5/million input and $15/million output and Claude 3.5 Sonnet is $3/million input and $15/million output. Gemini 1.5 Pro was already the cheapest of the frontier models and now it's even cheaper.

GPT-4o is 2.5/10$. Unless you look at an old checkpoint. GPT-4o was the cheapest frontier model before.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#25

As far as I can tell there's still no option for keeping data private?

Makes sense, as soon as your data leaves your computer, it's safe to assume it's no longer private, no matter what promises a service gives you.

You want guaranteed private data that won't be used for anything? Keep it on your own computer.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#26

Looks like they are more focused on the economical aspect of those large models? Like 90~95% performance of other frontier models at 50%~70% price.

I do like the trend.

Imagine if Anthropic or someone eventually release a Claude 3.5 but at like a whopping 10x its current speed.

Would be incredibly more useful and game changing than a slow o1 model that may or not be x percent smarter.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#27
I only use regular Gemini and the main feature I care about is absolutely terrible: summarizing YouTube videos. I'll ask for a breakdown or analysis of the video, and it'll give me a very high level overview. If I ask for timestamps or key points, it begins to hallucinate and make stuff up. It's incredibly disappointing that such a huge company with effectively unlimited access to both money and intellectual resources can't seem to implement a video analysis feature that doesn't suck. Part of me wonders if they're legitimately this incompetent or if they're deliberately not implementing good analysis features because it could eat into their views and advertisement opportunities.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#28
post #25

As far as I can tell there's still no option for keeping data private?

Makes sense, as soon as your data leaves your computer, it's safe to assume it's no longer private, no matter what promises a service gives you. You want guaranteed private data that won't be used for anything? Keep it on your own computer.

Not sure why your getting down voted. Anything sent to an cloud hosted LLM is subject to be publicly released or used in training.

Setting up a local LLM isn't that hard, although I'd probably air gap anything truly sensitive. I like ollama, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's phoning home.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#29
post #26

Looks like they are more focused on the economical aspect of those large models? Like 90~95% performance of other frontier models at 50%~70% price.

I do like the trend. Imagine if Anthropic or someone eventually release a Claude 3.5 but at like a whopping 10x its current speed. Would be incredibly more useful and game changing than a slow o1 model that may or not be x percent smarter.

We might see that with the inference ASICs later this year I guess?

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#30

Interview with the product lead: https://x.com/rowancheung/status/1838611170061918575 ?

> What makes the new model so unique?"

>> Yeah It's a good question. I think it's maybe less so of what makes it unique and more so the general trajectory of the trend that we're on.*

Disappointing.

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