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Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

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Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#11

TLDR - 2x cheaper, slightly smarter, and they only compare those new models to their own old ones. Does google have moat?

Moat could be things like direct integration into Gmail (ask it to find your last 5 receipts from Amazon), Drive (chat with PDF), Slides (create images / flow charts), etc.

Not sure if their models are the moat. But they definitely have an opportunity from the productization perspective.

But so does Microsoft.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#13
This price drop is significant. For For comparison, GPT-4o is currently $5/million input and $15/million output and Claude 3.5 Sonnet is $3/million input and $15/million output.

Gemini 1.5 Pro was already the cheapest of the frontier models and now it's even cheaper.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#14
post #11

TLDR - 2x cheaper, slightly smarter, and they only compare those new models to their own old ones. Does google have moat?

Moat could be things like direct integration into Gmail (ask it to find your last 5 receipts from Amazon), Drive (chat with PDF), Slides (create images / flow charts), etc. Not sure if their models are the moat. But they definitely have an opportunity from the productization perspective. But so does Microsoft.

Doesn't Microsoft also get OpenAI IP, if they run out of money?

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#15
Gemini feels like an abusive relationship — every few months, they announce something exciting, and I’m hopeful that this time will be different, that they’ve finally changed for the better, but every time, I’m left regretting having spent any time with them.

Their docs are awful, they have multiple unusable SDK's and the API is flaky.

For example, I started bumping into "Recitation" errors - ie they issue a flat out refusal if your response resembles anything in the training data. There's a GitHub issue with hundreds of upvotes and they still haven't published formal guidance on preventing this. Good luck trying to use the 1M context window.

Everything is built the "Google" way. It's genuinely unusable unless you're a total masochist and want to completely lock yourself into the Google ecosystem.

The only thing they can compete on is price.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#16

Gemini feels like an abusive relationship — every few months, they announce something exciting, and I’m hopeful that this time will be different, that they’ve finally changed for the better, but every time, I’m left regretting having spent any time with them. Their docs are awful, they have multiple unusable SDK's and the API is flaky. For example, I started bumping into "Recitation" errors - ie they issue a flat out…

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Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

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post #5

TLDR - 2x cheaper, slightly smarter, and they only compare those new models to their own old ones. Does google have moat?

> Does google have moat? Potentially (depends if the EU cares)... E.g. integration with Google search (instead of ChatGPT's Bing search), providing map data, android integration, etc...

Their Android integration certainly isn't on track to earn them any moats... https://hachyderm.io/@ianbicking/113099247306589777

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

#18
Google does not miss one single opportunity to miss an opportunity.

They announced a price reduction but it "won't be available for a few days". By the time, the initial hype will be over and the consumer-use side of the opportunity to get new users will be lost in other news.

Re: Two new Gemini models, reduced 1.5 Pro pricing, increased rate limits, and more

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Google does not miss one single opportunity to miss an opportunity. They announced a price reduction but it "won't be available for a few days". By the time, the initial hype will be over and the consumer-use side of the opportunity to get new users will be lost in other news.

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