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Post by stavros »

rustcleaner wrote: post #208
stavros wrote: post #191

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I don't understand how commenters here can seriously argue this. There should be no UX for "oh this is not supported? Eh give it a shot anyway, I don't care about literally all my files". If you don't support upgrading, don't expose that in the UI. There's no excuse for having UI that will let the user do something unsupported and then screw up their data.

Not saying it's the case here, but I wonder how much deniably malicious incompetence out there gets covertly injected into projects by competitors.

That's a very interesting conspiracy theory, I assume the amount is nonzero.

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Post by johnchristopher »

Propelloni wrote: post #96
johnchristopher wrote: post #40

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Hi, we are evaluating at work. Could you shed some light on these questions ? Do you have one NC instance or do you federate (or plan to) ? Do you use the mail app ? Which applications do you use to replace sharepoint features ? Do you use the business version of NC ?

Hi, I'll try ;) > Do you have one NC instance or do you federate (or plan to) ? We actually have three instances. Currently they are running side-by-side but federation is planned, I think, starting October. Account management is still done in ADS and will stay there for now. SAML works as intended. > Do you use the mail app ? Yes, we use the Nextcloud Mail app without the AI features. Most people are using desktop c…

Thanks !

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Post by GTP »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #130
TheChaplain wrote: post #116

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I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

> Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images I've run it for about a year until the upgrade tipped me over. I am sure that correct upgrades (n to n+1) are fine - I tried n to n+2 and instead of explaining to me that this is not possible, Nextcloud explained to me that this is not possible and fucked up big my install. I had to recover from a backup.

Strange, my experience is that, if I don't upgrade in a while, the automatic updater goes to the next version, and after installing it it tells me there's another update and so on. Or maybe you didn't use the built-in updater?

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Post by touggourt »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #154
touggourt wrote: post #137

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>> What I need in my stack is a focused Google Docs alternative > Try Etherpad ( https://etherpad.org/ ) He should better use OnlyOffice, Collabora or Cryptpad office suite. The Cryptpad server is the only one which is not a nightmare to install and setup.

Etherpad took me a few minutes to install on docker. Not sure why you do not like it

I like Etherpad very much, but it is very lite as a Google docs alternative. Collabora, Only Office or the Cryptpad suite are better, but from the 3, the cryptpad server is the easiest to install.

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Post by GTP »

KronisLV wrote: post #210
TheChaplain wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

I had version 17 installed, I wanted to upgrade to version 20. I launched the container for the new version, but got an error: "Exception: Updates between multiple major versions and downgrades are unsupported." I then tried launching the container for version 18, which should be supported, which initially seemed to succeed! However, I was greeted by "Internal Server Error" in the web UI, since apparently instead of…

I remeber having some issues when I first attemped running a Nextcloud Docker container years ago. I don't know it it was because it was one of my first times with Docker or if it was Nextcloud that was screwing-up, but a native (non Docker) install solved all my problems. Was rock-solid ever since, up when I retired it recently due to unrelated reasons.

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Post by touggourt »

mystified5016 wrote: post #183

Similar to many commenters here, I really want to love nextcloud. It was the very first thing I installed when I built my homelab and it's still running years later. However. I just plain can't use the thing. The only thing that works well is automatically uploading new photos from my phone. That's it , that's the only thing. My server is old, yes, but we're still talking about dual 8c/16t Xeons, 128GB RAM, and a 7-d…

This is very strange, we use a quite smaller VPS server (2 virtual core, 2 Gb of Ram) to host NC with other things, our clients computers are 10 years old and we _never_ had such bad experience, while we use NC with macOS, iOS, Android, Windows and Linux (mainly Linux).

There is obviously something wrong in your NC setup.

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Post by kyrofa »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

> First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps)

Yep. And any extra apps beyond the default just make upgrades go sideways. I've given up on it. Using syncthing instead (just for file syncing) and haven't looked back. It's not my favorite either, but just because it's a pain to configure. Once configured, it's been rock solid.

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Post by mardifoufs »

jraph wrote: post #202
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

Seeing this top comment is sad. I handle several nextcloud instances, one of them updated from owncloud, I'm very happy, it does a lot of stuff well and when you need specialized software you can because it's just files. Updates have been painless.

That's cool! Other people have had problems with it, and losing data is bad enough that it outweighs good experiences, even if they are a majority. So it's a good thing that people share their less positive experiences rather than just "it works fine for me", as one is more actionable than the other when we are discussing a "home cloud" solution.

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Post by blitzar »

kyrofa wrote: post #217
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

> First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Yep. And any extra apps beyond the default just make upgrades go sideways. I've given up on it. Using syncthing instead (just for file syncing) and haven't looked back. It's not my favorite either, but just because it's a pain to configure. Once configured, it's been rock solid.

> Using syncthing instead (just for file syncing) and haven't looked back

After giving up on Nextcloud I tried syncthing too - hated it - and most of that time was pandemic and not like I was syncing outside of my own home network.

Went back to dropbox instead (just for file syncing) and haven't looked back.

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Post by mystified5016 »

touggourt wrote: post #216
mystified5016 wrote: post #183

Similar to many commenters here, I really want to love nextcloud. It was the very first thing I installed when I built my homelab and it's still running years later. However. I just plain can't use the thing. The only thing that works well is automatically uploading new photos from my phone. That's it , that's the only thing. My server is old, yes, but we're still talking about dual 8c/16t Xeons, 128GB RAM, and a 7-d…

This is very strange, we use a quite smaller VPS server (2 virtual core, 2 Gb of Ram) to host NC with other things, our clients computers are 10 years old and we _never_ had such bad experience, while we use NC with macOS, iOS, Android, Windows and Linux (mainly Linux). There is obviously something wrong in your NC setup.

Nope. As mentioned in the original comment, I've tried this several ways on multiple different machines. The configuration is never the same, but the performance always is.

I've tried everything from hardware to network configs, always the same abysmal performance

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