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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by exe34 »

obnauticus wrote: post #20

I originally wanted to do this but the CVE history is a bit too colorful for something I’d want to trust as a “cloud replacement”: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=nextcloud A common misconception IMO is that running and owning your own infrastructure is somehow more secure. To that I lol, and I’m confident that the thousands of AWS/GCP/Azure/iCloud security engineers are all doing a more thorough job…

I think the threat model isn't that these popular services are going to be attacked, but that they will engage in the denial of service themselves without legal recourse.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by raybb »

boramalper wrote: post #15

I started using Nextcloud first to have an alternative to big-tech in case Google locks me out of my account, and then it became my daily driver. It's fast, private, and has mature clients for all major desktop and mobile platforms. Together with OnlyOffice, it's a good-enough substitute for Google Docs Editors (the office suite) for non-collaborative editing. I love self-hosting but file storage is one thing that I…

If you start on a free plan but then ultimately switch to another provider do you have any idea of how hard it would be to export and import all your tasks, files, etc?

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by shwouchk »

antman wrote: post #25

Lets not forget iPhone vendor lock in that specifically slows down or entirely closes background connections for all other vendors except Apple. So syncing files with Nextcloud or any other app except Apple cloud is an exercise in undocumented futility. You can put it as a front application and wait (if corporate hasn’t forced a screen turning off timeout)

Not sure how the apple rant is related to the post but; I use syncthing (via mobius sync) on my iphone and am quite happy with it. It seems to be OK with enough background syncs as it is, but to top it off i added a shortcut that keeps the app in the foreground while the phone is charging and im always up to date, pretty much instantly. Used to keep a couple hundred gb in sync that way (books, papers, org files, passwords, etc).

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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by Timber-6539 »

obnauticus wrote: post #20

I originally wanted to do this but the CVE history is a bit too colorful for something I’d want to trust as a “cloud replacement”: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=nextcloud A common misconception IMO is that running and owning your own infrastructure is somehow more secure. To that I lol, and I’m confident that the thousands of AWS/GCP/Azure/iCloud security engineers are all doing a more thorough job…

> thousands of AWS/GCP/Azure/iCloud security engineers are all doing a more thorough job than you

All these cloud services are just attack surfaces with a huge target on their backs. And the security engineers slip up too [0], in the case of Microsoft it's become more of a meme now. The North Korean hackers basically own them.

[0] https://www.techspot.com/news/102573-microsoft-left-server-c...

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by MrDresden »

obnauticus wrote: post #20

I originally wanted to do this but the CVE history is a bit too colorful for something I’d want to trust as a “cloud replacement”: https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=nextcloud A common misconception IMO is that running and owning your own infrastructure is somehow more secure. To that I lol, and I’m confident that the thousands of AWS/GCP/Azure/iCloud security engineers are all doing a more thorough job…

Your right of course. No way an individual can compete with an army of specialists.

But for some of us it is a bit of a hobby to run our own infrastructure. And some of it only ever runs on a private network.

I rolled my own docker setup for Nextcloud a few years ago, and couldn't be happier with the outcome. It does require me to log in and update the system and setup from time to time, but that's just a good time to drink a hot bevarage and listen to podcasts in my mind.

For anyone hosting their own instance, Nextcloud offers this scan[0] of your public facing url which might come up with something worth fixing.

[0] https://scan.nextcloud.com/

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by dual_dingo »

raverbashing wrote: post #26
antman wrote: post #25

Lets not forget iPhone vendor lock in that specifically slows down or entirely closes background connections for all other vendors except Apple. So syncing files with Nextcloud or any other app except Apple cloud is an exercise in undocumented futility. You can put it as a front application and wait (if corporate hasn’t forced a screen turning off timeout)

Well, honestly, Apple is not wrong here. App Developers usually don't give a flying cluck about anything other than their apps. Battery, CPU, mobile data? Zero consideration. But then of course the fault lies on Apple (and MS - it's the same thing in Windows - see the CrowdStrike fiasco)

Well, no. This argument might be correct if this policy wouldn't very strongly incentive people to use (possibly paid!) iCloud instead and if Apple would just allow any app onto the app store (or effortless sideloading like on Android). Instead, they heavily scrutinize everything that gets submitted. They could just have special permissions for apps like Nextcloud that would only be enabled if the app behaves correctly regarding this background sync functionality.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by mcfedr »

nolok wrote: post #22
zerof1l wrote: post #18

I've been using Nextcloud for some years now. Overall it's an ok replacement for Google Cloud. But for some time now their focus has been on developing features for business collaboration as opposed to personal & family ones. For example, their photo library is quite limited. There's Memories app for Nextcluod, but it isn't much better. I'm in the process of migrating to Immich. Nextcluod notes app on Android has bee…

As a self hosting afficionado, I feel like the perfect Google photo replacement doesn't exist yet. I have a synology nas and I use the synology photos app for auto uploading without loss of quality to my nas. Don't forget any picture or videos, deduplicate, figure out what you can safely delete from my phone,... All of that works great and is reliable. The synology photos app to watch your photos though, isn't very g…

Photoprisim

Check it out, I've been very happy with that instead of Google photos.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by nrabulinski »

raverbashing wrote: post #26
antman wrote: post #25

Lets not forget iPhone vendor lock in that specifically slows down or entirely closes background connections for all other vendors except Apple. So syncing files with Nextcloud or any other app except Apple cloud is an exercise in undocumented futility. You can put it as a front application and wait (if corporate hasn’t forced a screen turning off timeout)

Well, honestly, Apple is not wrong here. App Developers usually don't give a flying cluck about anything other than their apps. Battery, CPU, mobile data? Zero consideration. But then of course the fault lies on Apple (and MS - it's the same thing in Windows - see the CrowdStrike fiasco)

The solution shouldn’t be to forbid anyone but apple from doing stuff in the background but to make permissions very clear, allow for stuff like scheduling background tasks and/or limiting background resources and, for power users, to outright allow specified apps to run in the background. So no, apple isn’t right here

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by johnchristopher »

Propelloni wrote: post #28
zerof1l wrote: post #18

I've been using Nextcloud for some years now. Overall it's an ok replacement for Google Cloud. But for some time now their focus has been on developing features for business collaboration as opposed to personal & family ones. For example, their photo library is quite limited. There's Memories app for Nextcluod, but it isn't much better. I'm in the process of migrating to Immich. Nextcluod notes app on Android has bee…

> their focus has been on developing features for business collaboration as opposed to personal & family ones For people like me, who have to contend with GDPR and NIS 2 requirements on an organizational level in Germany this actually is a god-send. MS and Google don't play nice with the local law, e.g. refusing order processing agreements, although MS has recently started to move on this topic. We replaced MS stuff…

Hi, we are evaluating at work. Could you shed some light on these questions ?

Do you have one NC instance or do you federate (or plan to) ?

Do you use the mail app ?

Which applications do you use to replace sharepoint features ?

Do you use the business version of NC ?

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