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Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by stavros »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #182
VertanaNinjai wrote: post #180

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So they told you that’s not supported and don’t do it. You then did it and seem surprised at a bad outcome. And you’re blaming the software and/or vendor?

Seriously do you think that for software that manages data the proper way is for someone who starts the upgrade process to say "this is not supported, and now we fucked up your database and you cannot recover from that"? They knew that I was upgrading N+2, this is not a surprise - and I did not realize that upgrading N+2 is not supported. The proper way would be to abort the upgrade upon discovering that I am going f…

I don't understand how commenters here can seriously argue this. There should be no UX for "oh this is not supported? Eh give it a shot anyway, I don't care about literally all my files".

If you don't support upgrading, don't expose that in the UI. There's no excuse for having UI that will let the user do something unsupported and then screw up their data.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by rewgs »

Chiming into agree that, yes, Nextcloud really does not deliver on its promise. Its S3 performance in particular is absurdly bad.

I want to love it, but it's just so not there yet -- I worry that its lack of focus will prevent it from ever getting there.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by MayeulC »

ruph123 wrote: post #153
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #93

Nextcloud is a nightmare. First if all, it wants to do everything and does none well (or better than specialized apps) Its internals are a shitshow - a question about getting the real IP of the calling client raised a 10 pages discussion where people said "it works" and other days "it does not". The "solution" required you to change a volatile setting within the docker container (and do it again when the container ch…

I run my own nextcloud server now for over 5 years. There are some frustrations like the photo app which is uselessly slow. But for the files sync, contacts/calendar and some other apps it works well. It _does_ offer a million different things and some of those are half baked but the core functionality (a dropbox-like file storage) is decent in my experience. Updates have never been an issue. And honestly I am always…

For photos, I highly recommend "Memories" : https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/memories

They should make it the default, IMO.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

bzzzt wrote: post #142
klabb3 wrote: post #119

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> it wants to do everything and does none well On that topic, it’s amusing to see when the “are we a product or a platform?” confusion jumps from its native host (publicly listed tech corps) to FOSS projects – different species altogether. The idea of owning your own server just like any other device like laptops, smartphones and tablets, is just wonderful. But that means Linux! And Linux is absolutely infamous for p…

> We would need a platform spec so that application developers can publish, users can discover and deploy, and platform providers can implement against a shared spec. That's been tried with Linux Standard base, but it seems 'standardise on glibc 2.31 and Qt 3' is not a viable way to describe system dependencies. Such a spec also doesn't exist for Windows or macOS systems. If you target 'living' operating systems you…

Microsoft is so committed to backwards compatibility for Windows that you are very likely to be able to run 20 year old binaries without any heroics. They don't need any kind of platform spec, because they put in serious work to maintaining that kind of compatibility.

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Post by jerf »

doubled112 wrote: post #125
TheChaplain wrote: post #116

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I've run Nextcloud for almost 3 years now via docker on a vps , it hosts my contacts, calendars and files. There is a apache reverse proxy in front of it, and a postgresql-database in the back. Not once had I any serious issues updating when pulling new updated images. Occasionally it whines about missing indices, but that is easily fixed using the occ command line tool. The clients real IP is forwarded by the proxy.…

I have also found that if you stick to the core functionality it works fine. As soon as I started to add apps from the store it starts to be a pain. An upgrade comes out and you’re stuck on that version until they all update, OR you update not realizing and lose the functionality for some time. Since I self-host a bunch of apps, it made more sense to use different apps dedicated to those features, like Miniflux or Na…

I ran NextCloud for some years, just for the file sharing. I was the only user. About every third upgrade cocked up in some critical way that required bespoke DB fixes. Twice I basically blew away all state and recreated my entire file store from scratch from a backup because it was easier than fixing the install. Worked for me but is infeasible for any larger install. I tried using the office functionality for one document and I lost the document entirely on an upgrade because apparently the mirroring as a file is an illusion and the real office data is stored buried in the database in a way I never did manage to recover; I ended up just recreating the document. Thank goodness it was just the one document.

It is constantly screaming for upgrades but I don't know what they are doing with those upgrades because it doesn't seem to make the core any more reliable. It's just an opportunity for the upgrade to fail and lose data, which it frequently took advantage of.

The key thing that really annoyed me is that I couldn't hardly have used it more lightly than I did, and it took about every other opportunity to fall over and lose data. I can't even imagine the plight of someone trying to run this in an office environment.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by aborsy »

Snaps are not popular in hacker news, but if you want basic functionality, try nextcloud snap. It is good, and takes care of itself.

I like nextcloud, and always have an instance for file sharing with people. For basic features, it works good.

That said, I think it would have been better if they could focus on core features, remove code complexity, make it faster, remove bugs around the edges, make sure it just works and upgrades reliably. It could not possibly do such diverse range of applications, and now AI.

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by noname120 »

mglz wrote: post #46
MrDisposable wrote: post #41

A newbie question: How does Nextcloud compare to Dropbox and Syncthing? Can it serve as a replacement / alternative to them?

100%. Nextcloud Desktop works well and i use FolderSync on android. Has worked perfectly so far :)

+1 for FolderSync, it works great. I haven't had a single synchronization issue or missing files whatsoever after using it for 2-3 years already. Note that I never had the need to handle conflicts (I don't modify files from two different devices at the same time).

Re: Nextcloud: Open-Source Cloud Apps

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Post by shwouchk »

sneak wrote: post #177
shwouchk wrote: post #167

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It’s a one time $5 fee, integrates with the files app and generally has a few features that are not part of the base OSS app, such as the background syncs. It also sometimes gets affected by bugs that are not do not affect the “vanilla” syncthing, which takes some non-zero time to resolve and which indicate there is some effort going into creating this “port”. That took some time for the dev to create and would take…

I cannot enter into the Apple Developer Program, or I would have released a lot of free builds of f/oss iOS apps already. Sadly Apple requires doxxing yourself to publish apps, which IMO is a human rights violation. You also need to provide a working phone number to be able to install even free apps on a phone or tablet you have already purchased. These policies stand directly in opposition to their stated value that…

You don’t believe in intellectual property? Well, I don’t believe in gravity.

Ill be waiting for your public domain repo with ios syncthing build instructions - no need to doxx yourself. ill happily build it for myself - i don’t have a dev account either.

FWIW that app works much better than icloud has ever worked for me. eg with icloud you never know when the device decides to remove a file from local cache until youre offline and need to use it.

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