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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bmicraft »

jmull wrote: post #122
microtonal wrote: post #69

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Not this again :). Just taking a random example: the Samsung S5 was IPX67 rated (up to 1m for 30min), was thinner than an iPhone 16, and had a replaceable battery. Admittedly, it has fewer mAh, but it's also older battery technology and the volume of the phone case is slightly smaller (and probably has bigger electronics). Is should be totally possible to make a good 2024 flagship with replaceable batteries, but we'd…

> Not this again :) The problem with this logic is that phones are complicated and have a lot of constraints. Phone design inherently involves numerous tradeoffs. So... of course it's possible for manufacturers like Apple and Samsung to create a thin, waterproof phone with no-tool battery replacement. But at a cost to other features. The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacement…

> The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacements, relative to various other features they'd have to give up to get it. People are voting with their wallets and it doesn't make sense for Apple, Samsung, etc., to build phones people don't really want.

It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable. What is does cost the is future sales of phones, because now people could swap in a 15$ replacement battery instead of choosing between (1) pay 150$ for a replacement or (2) just get a new phone.

This isn't about the market not wanting to pay the extra 5$ it would take, this is about the manufacturer deciding there is more money to be made this way.

We never truly had a choice. The fact of the matter is people's choice of phone brand is sticky, and manufacturers abuse that. If you've had the Galaxy S5 and needed a new phone at no point did you have the choice between an S7 with or without replaceable battery. It's get the S7 without, or screw you - get a worse phone.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by Terretta »

bmicraft wrote: post #141
jmull wrote: post #122

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> Not this again :) The problem with this logic is that phones are complicated and have a lot of constraints. Phone design inherently involves numerous tradeoffs. So... of course it's possible for manufacturers like Apple and Samsung to create a thin, waterproof phone with no-tool battery replacement. But at a cost to other features. The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacement…

> The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacements, relative to various other features they'd have to give up to get it. People are voting with their wallets and it doesn't make sense for Apple, Samsung, etc., to build phones people don't really want. It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable. What is does cost the is future sales of phones, beca…

> What is does cost the is future sales of phones, because now people could swap in a 15$ replacement battery instead of choosing between (1) pay 150$ for a replacement or (2) just get a new phone.

This argument is undermined by Apple putting a user configurable 80% charge limiter in recent iPhones that extends battery life multiple times over.

(And that's on top of the smart charging to avoid charging to full if not needed, added many models ago.)

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by userbinator »

7952 wrote: post #92
shalmanese wrote: post #64

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The Apple provided tools are the ones used at first party Apple stores to perform authorized repairs. At some point, some bean counter tabulated the cost of building X000 machines and shipping them across the globe for a marginal increase in repair quality and deemed it a worthy tradeoff. If you want to repair phones to the equivalent quality of Apple stores , Apple makes it possible via their "overengineered" machin…

And good tools can reduce the skill required to make the repair.

Good skill can reduce the tools required to make the repair.

(Watch the Asian repair videos on YouTube. Not necessarily just phones but other things too.)

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by refurb »

Sakos wrote: post #98
refurb wrote: post #82

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When I buy an iPhone I know I’m not buying a phone optimized for easy user repair. I go in eyes wide open and I’m fine with it. I know the product is optimized for compactness and efficient use of space. It’s optimized for ruggedness, and water resistance. I would never do a self-repair and expect the cover to be held on with Phillips screws and a bulky o-ring. And if I choose to do a self-repair I fully expect that…

Most users aren't consciously making this choice. It's great that you are, but every time an iPhone owner would balk at the insane repair costs, all we could do is shrug and say that's just how Apple designs their devices. So, honestly, you can bug off with this "fuck you, I know what I'm getting into" attitude. It's telling what kind of response I'm getting. All you care about is yourself.

I'm not sure I'd blame Apple for their customers not doing their due diligence. That's a basic responsibility of consumers. If they choose not to go in eyes wide open, that's on them.

Should we design premium products for the lowest common denominator customer? They wouldn't be premium products anymore.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by rjzzleep »

oarsinsync wrote: post #86
rjzzleep wrote: post #38

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I was holding out for the EU DMA third party app store, but it's clear that Apple is not on a good trajectory. The fact that they slept on Siri for so long only to then finally add "Open"AI to it with limited availability is, but another dot in the pattern. When MacOS was still called OSX and developers were the Macbooks greatest contributors and cheerleaders, things looked a lot different. A lot of the current frame…

> I'll miss the closed loop payment card support from iOS I was definitely hurting for a while for lack of this (and iMessage) on Windows. While I haven’t gotten over iMessage (and use a KVM with my iPad to resolve that), the additional friction for payments has actually been a boon for my bank account. The more friction we feel with payments, the fewer payments we make. Cash is higher friction than cards. Manual car…

That is a good point. At some point I started spending way too much on mobile payments.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by jmull »

bmicraft wrote: post #141
jmull wrote: post #122

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> Not this again :) The problem with this logic is that phones are complicated and have a lot of constraints. Phone design inherently involves numerous tradeoffs. So... of course it's possible for manufacturers like Apple and Samsung to create a thin, waterproof phone with no-tool battery replacement. But at a cost to other features. The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacement…

> The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacements, relative to various other features they'd have to give up to get it. People are voting with their wallets and it doesn't make sense for Apple, Samsung, etc., to build phones people don't really want. It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable. What is does cost the is future sales of phones, beca…

> It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable.

Are you sure about that? I notice Apple charges $99 for, e.g., an iPhone 15 battery replacement, not $150. And iFixit charges $44 for an iPhone 15 battery, not $15 (not to mention, a user-replaceable one would need changes, like a case, which would tend to make them more expensive). I wonder if you have an understanding of the cost to phones in terms of price and/or loss of other features to make their batteries user-replaceable without tools.

> Its get the S7 without, or screw you - get a worse phone.

Yep. But it’s not to screw you. It’s because they can’t create that phone with the replaceable battery you want, not without making it worse and/or more expensive.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bmicraft »

jmull wrote: post #146
bmicraft wrote: post #141

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> The market has shown repeatedly that few consumers value no-tool battery replacements, relative to various other features they'd have to give up to get it. People are voting with their wallets and it doesn't make sense for Apple, Samsung, etc., to build phones people don't really want. It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable. What is does cost the is future sales of phones, beca…

> It costs those manufacturers next to nothing to make the battery replaceable. Are you sure about that? I notice Apple charges $99 for, e.g., an iPhone 15 battery replacement, not $150. And iFixit charges $44 for an iPhone 15 battery, not $15 (not to mention, a user-replaceable one would need changes, like a case, which would tend to make them more expensive). I wonder if you have an understanding of the cost to pho…

Non authenticc, organically sourced, non-gmo Apple(R) batteries cost way less than 44$

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by narvalotech »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #21
m463 wrote: post #11

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I remember dropping my treo 650 while hiking. The back cover came off, the battery went flying and worst of all - my memory card was dislodged and disappeared in the woods.

Was there a point to this story? I have a pixel 5a with a dead screen that runs but can't be used because the dead part is part of the motherboard not the screen. It's a known problem with this model. So it still runs, but I can't recover any pics or texts from dead people from it because I can't respond to the screen prompts to allow the USB connection. I don't see how I'm any better off.

I managed to use scrcpy's awesome KVM feature to do just this: it simulates a keyboard and mouse, so fumbling through hitting tab multiple times and enter, the phone showed up as MTP device and I could download the pictures.

Phone had dead display+touchscreen like yours.

Couldn't manage to enable usb debugging so no backups of texts though :/

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by iknowstuff »

diggan wrote: post #108
iknowstuff wrote: post #103

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don’t glorify german automakers too much. they’re 5-10 years behind Tesla when it comes to manufacturing optimization, sw/hw integration, BEV efficiency, etc.

Only thing missing from Tesla to beat them now is being better at actually building lasting cars . Hopefully Tesla eventually learns what "tolerance" means and that cars sometimes get wet from rain.

headlines don’t reflect the reality. they’re at worst average reliability-wise. The reason I know you’re talking purely off headlines is because the wet thing was suuuch an obvious rage bait from a software bug
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