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Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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Some companies (OpenAI, Anthropic…) base their whole business on hosted closed source models. What’s going to happen when all of this inevitably gets commoditized? This is why I’m putting my money on Google in the long run. They have the reach to make it useful and the monetization behemoth to make it profitable.

There's plenty of competition in this space already, and it'll only get accelerated with time. There's not enough "moat" in building proprietary LLMs - you can tell by how the leading companies in this space are basically down to fighting over patents and regulatory capture (ie. mounting legal and technical barriers to scraping, procuring hardware, locking down datasets, releasing less information to the public about how the models actually work behind the scenes, lobbying for scary-yet-vague AI regulation, etc).

It's fizzling out.

The current incumbents are sitting on multi-billion dollar valuations and juicy funding rounds. This buys runtime for a good couple of years, but it won't last forever. There's a limit to what can be achieved with scraped datasets and deep Markov chains.

Over time, it will become difficult to judge what makes one general-purpose LLM be any better than another general-purpose LLM. A new release isn't necessarily performing better or producing better quality results, and it may even regress for many use-cases (we're already seeing this with OpenAI's latest releases).

Competitors will have caught up to eachother, and there shouldn't be any major differences between Claude, ChatGPT, Gemini, etc - after-all, they should all produce near-identical answers, given identical scenarios. Pace of innovation flattens out.

Eventually, the technology will become wide-spread, cheap and ubiquitous. Building a (basic, but functional) LLM will be condensed down to a course you take at university (the same way people build basic operating systems and basic compilers in school).

The search for AGI will continue, until the next big hype cycle comes up in 5-10 years, rinse and repeat.

You'll have products geared at lawyers, office workers, creatives, virtual assistants, support departments, etc. We're already there, and it's working great for many use-cases - but it just becomes one more tool in the toolbox, the way Visual Studio, Blender and Photoshop are.

The big money is in the datasets used to build, train and evaluate the LLMs. LLMs today are only as good as the data they were trained on. The competition on good, high-quality, up-to-date and clean data will accelerate. With time, it will become more difficult, expensive (and perhaps illegal) to obtain world-scale data, clean it up, and use it to train and evaluate new models. This is the real goldmine, and the only moat such companies can really have.

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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Local LLMs are terrible compared to Claude/ChatGPT. They are useful to use as APIs for applications: much cheaper than paying for OpenAI services, and can be fine tuned to do many useful (and less useful, even illegal) things. But for the casual user, they suck compared to the very large LLMs OpenAI/Anthropic deliver.

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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> Microsoft used LLMs to write millions of short stories and textbooks in which one thing builds on another. The result of training on this text, Bubeck says, is a model that fits on a mobile phone but has the power of the initial 2022 version of ChatGPT. I thought training LLMs on content created by LLMs was ill-advised but this would suggest otherwise

As others point out, it's essentially distillation of a larger model to a smaller one. But you're right, it doesn't work very well. Phi's performance is high on benchmarks but not nearly as good in actual real world usage. It is extremely overfit on a narrow range of topics in a narrow format.

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Summary: It's cheaper, safer for handling sensitive data, easier to reproduce results (only way to be 100% sure it's reproduce even, as "external" models can change anytime), higher degree of customization, no internet connectivity requirements, more efficient, more flexible.

No ridiculous prohibitions on training on logs…

Man, imagine being OpenAI and flushing your brand down the toilet with an explicit customer noncompete rule which totally backfires and inspires 100x more competition than it prevents

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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Local LLMs are terrible compared to Claude/ChatGPT. They are useful to use as APIs for applications: much cheaper than paying for OpenAI services, and can be fine tuned to do many useful (and less useful, even illegal) things. But for the casual user, they suck compared to the very large LLMs OpenAI/Anthropic deliver.

I don't think local LLM's are being marketed "for the casual user", nor do I think the casual user will care at all about running LLM's locally so I am not sure why this comparison matters.

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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post #15

What local models is everyone using? The last one I used was Llama 3.1 8B which was pretty good (I have an old laptop). Has there been any major development since then?

Qwen 2.5 has just released, with a surprising amount of sizes. The 14B and 32B look pretty promising for their size class but it's hard to tell yet.

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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post #4

Summary: It's cheaper, safer for handling sensitive data, easier to reproduce results (only way to be 100% sure it's reproduce even, as "external" models can change anytime), higher degree of customization, no internet connectivity requirements, more efficient, more flexible.

An AI chip on laptop devices would be amazing!

It's pretty much happening already. Apple devices have MPS. Both new Intels and Snapdragon X have some form of NPU.

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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post #15

What local models is everyone using? The last one I used was Llama 3.1 8B which was pretty good (I have an old laptop). Has there been any major development since then?

I like [mistral-nemo](https://ollama.com/library/mistral-nemo) "A state-of-the-art 12B model with 128k context length, built by Mistral AI in collaboration with NVIDIA."

Re: Forget ChatGPT: why researchers now run small AIs on their laptops

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post #7

I like self hosting random stuff on docker. Ollama has been a great addition. I know it's not, but it feels on par with ChatGPT. It works perfectly on my 4090, but I've also seen it work perfectly on my friend's M3 laptop. It feels like an excellent alternative for when you don't need the heavy weights, but want something bespoke and private. I've integrated it with my Obsidian notes for 1) note generation 2) fuzzy s…

which model are you using? what size/quant/etc?

thanks!

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