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Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by asimpletune »

dperrin wrote: post #40
makeitdouble wrote: post #35

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Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? If Apple was also promising to keep the same process for the next 7 years I'd see a point to this, but this of course not the case.

> Do you expect your iPhone 16 battery press tool to still be useful in 2 phone generations ? How many times do you see yourself replacing the iPhone 16's battery ? Lots of my bike tools I have will take over a decade to get my money back on my stuff alone. But I get to do something I mostly enjoy. I can also help out friends/acquaintances when they need it. The same goes for this.

Hey do you have any recommendations on a small kit to bring for long bike trips?

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by dumbo-octopus »

userbinator wrote: post #16
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #12

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> almost like Apple is maliciously complying by overcomplicating the procedure Sorry, which of a 9-volt battery, alcohol wipes, safety glasses or sand (and a container for it) screams inaccessible? (And everything there is technically optional. I doubt most Treo 650 users drained the battery before touching it, or bothered with a suction cup.) Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over havin…

Not "inaccessible" but totally unnecessary. Why the bloody hell do you need a 9-volt battery to replace the battery!?!? Removing the back glass takes special tools, but I'll take that over having to replace my phone every time it gets wet. Gaskets have been around for over a century.

Gaskets require pressure. Adhesive doesn't. Different solutions for different problems.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by sgerenser »

raverbashing wrote: post #50
tanduv wrote: post #45

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ah yes the readily available custom "Battery press (923-02657)" https://cdsassets.apple.com/live/SZLF0YNV/images/tp/bucket_3...

This seems to be a new device, should be a matter of weeks to have a similar tool show up in Amazon, etc There are alternative devices one could use, or you know, just use the tools you have, as long as you keep the pressure smooth. Possibly a Juicero kind of device

With a steady hand something like this would work fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00409KRB4

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bluescrn »

threeseed wrote: post #33
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Replacing a consumable part, particularly a battery, should not be a complex repair requiring specialised tools.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bluescrn »

hbbio wrote: post #22
userbinator wrote: post #19

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This is not progress, this is overengineering pretending to be progress. Batteries don't need to be glued on in the first place.

No, it helps on a lot of issues. Starting with safety (it reduces damage on drops).

A small amount of adhesive might be justifiable, but the amount used is excessive and seems there primarily to increase ‘repair friction’, in a rather dangerous way - actively increasing the chance of a battery fire when replacement attempts are made.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bluescrn »

m463 wrote: post #11
akerr wrote: post #7

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No one is stopping you from using a Treo 650.

I remember dropping my treo 650 while hiking. The back cover came off, the battery went flying and worst of all - my memory card was dislodged and disappeared in the woods.

Better than dropping an iPhone, breaking the glass screen/back, then getting angry about the limited repair options…

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by mosselman »

atonse wrote: post #26
userbinator wrote: post #24

The cost of the tools required for device repair and the cost of genuine components make self repair almost as expensive as getting a repair from an Apple retail location or an Apple Authorized Service Provider Malicious compliance accomplished. Apple's instructions for all of the battery repairs include expensive equipment like an iPhone battery press to put a replacement battery back in place. It's like they just c…

In just about any other situation in life, you will have to make some investment in tools with the understanding that you can use them multiple times. For example, I bought the iFixit repair kit nearly a decade ago and I have used it for any minor work for all that time. $80 spent once and I’ve never once needed to fish for some strange bit or tool no matter what device I’ve opened. In fact, the iFixit kit will still…

I get what you mean and I agree. I own lots of tools just because I understand that they are a good investment.

What I think the parent is referring to is this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/120983

Obviously it is bullshit to suggest that a consumer would buy these tools. But it is also bullshit to suggest that you actually "need" a 'battery press' just because it is on the parts list.

The average phone repair shop will know how to loosen some battery adhesive very well with various techniques. So I don't think they will be discouraged by the Apple documentation.

Malicious compliance? Seems like it, a little bit. Still useful though.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by bluescrn »

EthicalSimilar wrote: post #4
miles wrote: post #2

> Compared to prior iPhone models, the iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Plus are easier to repair. Apple is using an electric battery removal process, and the steps for accessing a battery to replace it are outlined in a separate support document https://support.apple.com/en-us/120642 >. Per Apple's instructions, a 9-volt battery and 9-volt battery clips can be applied to the iPhone 16 battery to remove the adhesive that hold…

Was the Treo 650 waterproof? :)

Do people go swimming with their phones?

Older devices could generally handle splashes, e.g being used in light rain. Water damage seemed far less likely than drop damage.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by devjab »

mosselman wrote: post #57
atonse wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In just about any other situation in life, you will have to make some investment in tools with the understanding that you can use them multiple times. For example, I bought the iFixit repair kit nearly a decade ago and I have used it for any minor work for all that time. $80 spent once and I’ve never once needed to fish for some strange bit or tool no matter what device I’ve opened. In fact, the iFixit kit will still…

I get what you mean and I agree. I own lots of tools just because I understand that they are a good investment. What I think the parent is referring to is this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/120983 Obviously it is bullshit to suggest that a consumer would buy these tools. But it is also bullshit to suggest that you actually "need" a 'battery press' just because it is on the parts list. The average phone repair shop…

I think it could also be a sort of protection from customers breaking things leading to bad press. As you point out repair shops will be capable of doing repairs just fine, but your average users will probably think twice about getting the tools. I guess I can use myself as an anecdotal example, I’m the sort of person who might try to do a repair despite never having done any sort of work on electronics since I build a radio and a weather station in the Danish equivalent of high school decades ago. I’d probably end up breaking some parts.

I’m rich enough to buy the Apple tools but I’m too much of a grinch to buy them. I actually think iFixit protects me from myself as well because it’s too complicated (for me) to buy the tools I’d need.

Re: Apple Shares Full iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 Pro Repair Manuals

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Post by shreddit »

bluescrn wrote: post #54
threeseed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of the tools required to cut my lawn is far more than hiring someone to cut it. Likewise for almost every home or car repair. The whole point is that the tools are largely a once off purchase and repairing your phone is something you might do throughout your life. Therefore the initial costs should be spread over a longer period.

Replacing a consumable part, particularly a battery, should not be a complex repair requiring specialised tools.

iPhone batteries have been replaced long before Apple provided specialized tools, so you don’t need any of them. They will make your life a lot easier though.
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