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Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by meiraleal »

chipdart wrote: post #206
grishka wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The population overwhelmingly supports the war Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. Being openly against the war is literally illegal.

> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. We also have witnessed in Europe the sad spectacle that is Russian diasporas throwing protests in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and repeated violent attacks from Russian e…

> That line of argument is old and tired and debunked.

Does the same apply to the Crimean status referendum?

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by anonzzzies »

johnklos wrote: post #227
anonzzzies wrote: post #224

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But you didn't check those sites; they all recommend cloudflare or either very expensive (we all know what it means when there are no prices on the site and sales can call me) solutions, hard to use solutions or solutions you cannot use unless you are a certain type of site (the google one). So basically the choice is cloudflare if you are not cashed up enough. So nothing to do with lazy; there are no other viable op…

You're right that I didn't check them. I said that. It's like doing research for colo, like my example. If you have the need, then a couple of hours of research is well worthwhile. I don't have the need, so I'm not going to do it now, but that's how one starts. The colo example is apt - colo providers that don't have pricing are invariably too expensive, so I skip them, but there are plenty of others to check out tha…

I would avoid cloudflare and i did this research before; there simply aren't any affordable competitors. That is why everyone keeps coming back to them.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by Dylan16807 »

menacingly wrote: post #217
Dylan16807 wrote: post #84

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The burden of not tracking people is quite small.

sum the amount of "you simply " in this thread, then account for the fact that we're talking about running afoul of a regulation if you don't understand it, and you end up with a hassle. I'm not weighing in on whether or not it's bad, I'm just saying what I said. If you aren't accounting for a significant portion of revenue to justify it, you're going to get blocked because you represent a liability.

You end up with a small hassle. Blocking people is a bad response.

We need more of the world to implement similar rules so that it becomes infeasible to choose that option.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by [deleted] »

meiraleal wrote: post #231
chipdart wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. We also have witnessed in Europe the sad spectacle that is Russian diasporas throwing protests in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and repeated violent attacks from Russian e…

> That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. Does the same apply to the Crimean status referendum?

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Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

meiraleal wrote: post #231
chipdart wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. We also have witnessed in Europe the sad spectacle that is Russian diasporas throwing protests in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and repeated violent attacks from Russian e…

> That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. Does the same apply to the Crimean status referendum?

It's non-issue really, as it was always bunk by definition.

But it's also a different topic (in a thread that has already drifted wildly off-topic).

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

chipdart wrote: post #206
grishka wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The population overwhelmingly supports the war Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. Being openly against the war is literally illegal.

> Yeah right because when someone calls people and asks effectively "do you support the war or do you want to go to jail" you totally get data that is not skewed in any way whatsoever. That line of argument is old and tired and debunked. We also have witnessed in Europe the sad spectacle that is Russian diasporas throwing protests in support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and repeated violent attacks from Russian e…

[Talk of Europe overrun by Slavic brutes]

Hate to have to point this out - but not only is this a complete non-story (just from first principles) -- but the piece you're quoting is itself is basically a standard tabloid-style scare article. I mean, just look at the title, will you:

Russians Are Hunting Down Ukrainian Refugees in Heart of NATO

That in itself should clue you into to the article's primary purpose -- not to provide useful information, but to keep you titillated by "that awful shiny thing over there", and inevitably wanting more, more, more.

But it actually gets worse from there. Quoting Bild (a real-life, old school tabloid), when in all probability they could have connected with any of the fine regional papers up there, should have been another major red flag. Oh and did you try reading and breaking down the actual 3 stories it cites to support its grand thesis? Pop quiz - do they even pertain to the article's actual substantive claim? (Answer: the headline story doesn't apply at all; the second does (but it's an isolated incident with 1 confirmed perpetrator); and the last one does but only partially, as it obviously conflates with an entirely different issue).

That's all it is, this article -- just adrenaline-pumping garbage. All rather harrowing what happened to the victims identified, and maybe there is something nefarious happening in Slovakia -- but articles like these just aren't useful go-to sources for any sense of what's really happening in the large.

They exist simply to distract, distract, distract.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by smurkinson »

grishka wrote: post #153
chipdart wrote: post #151

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Random people in Russia complaining about the inconvenience of not being able to travel to Europe because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and all around imperialism is also an expected effect. It's also telling that the reaction from those affected is to complain that sanctions should be reverted because they both don't work and are inconvenient and a nuisance.

I don't see how "they don't work" and "they are inconvenient" are contradictory statements. They would've been if there were feedback mechanisms that we could use to communicate our point of view the government, but there aren't any, so in the end it's just a punishment for having been born in a wrong place at a wrong time.

Do you pay taxes to the russian government? If you do, then you are helping them wage war against europe.

Russia is a dictatorship, what are you doing to change that? Just complaining that there isn't anything you can do won't change anything.

Why should we in the west go out of our way to not inconvenience you? If you are not resisting the russian government, then you are passively helping them, why would I even consider it negative that sanctions bother you?

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by smurkinson »

grishka wrote: post #215
chipdart wrote: post #210

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> We do feel strongly about it but we can't act on these feelings. The government is not taking any feedback. That's a problem you need to solve. Again, it's very telling that this only registers as a concern when the subject of mild inconveniences, such as not benefiting from the privilege of visiting some countries as tourists, is brought up. It's also very telling that the only argument that's expressed in favour…

> That's a problem you need to solve. I'm open to suggestions about possible solutions to this problem. And by the way, I'm not talking about myself as a tourist right now. I was saying that Russian people in general being able to easily visit European countries would lessen the Russian official propaganda's grip on the population. And those sanctions against the civil aviation industry are nothing but straight vanda…

Learn how to build a bomb and try to blow up a weapons factory.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #223
chipdart wrote: post #190

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> I like how you absolve the Western governments of any agency of their own. Cut the crap. Russia's regime decided to start a war of invasion. It's an initiative from Russia and Russia alone, and all consequences are derived from Russia's actions. There is no way around it.

Ah, yes. Just one day Putin woke up and decided to start it. Nothing before. But you know, the most funny thing here is what you would never say "USA's regime decided to start a war of invasion in Iraq/Afghanistant/Yugoslavia. It's an initiative from US and US alone, and all consequences are derived from US's actions. There is no way around it." Makes me wonder why.

Actually in the case of Iraq at least, not only do many, many, many people say exactly that -- they were saying so at the time it happened, and not only saying it but marching in the streets, in crowds of hundreds of thousands, and screaming it at the top of their lungs -- in the vain hope that someone might listen.

In fact I'll say it right now (minus your jingoistic lingo about the USA's "regime" which really doesn't apply to its government of course):

   The US government decided to start a war of invasion in Iraq. It's an initiative from the US and the US alone, and all consequences are derived from the US's actions. There is no way around it.
There, done. And guess what -- the exact same description applies 100 percent to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. It really was just as voluntary and made-up and evil and stupid as the Iraq invasion. It's an initiative from Russia and Russia alone, and all consequences are derived from Russia's actions. There is no way around it. And (just as with Iraq) anyone can see through the fog, and see the situation for exactly what it is they want to.

More fundamentally: you know, the whole "hypocrisy" debate is really quite impotent and useless as applies to these situations, across the board. Much better to focus on why the evil happened, who is responsible and how to stop the evil currently and prevent it from ever happening again.

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