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Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by chipdart »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #136
aguaviva wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the sanctions are having a significant effect in terms of slowing down the war effort?

Sanctions have an effect, the government complains about them a lot.

Random people in Russia complaining about the inconvenience of not being able to travel to Europe because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and all around imperialism is also an expected effect.

It's also telling that the reaction from those affected is to complain that sanctions should be reverted because they both don't work and are inconvenient and a nuisance.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by voidr »

chipdart wrote: post #149
grishka wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few of them do have an effect on the military, but hardly a significant one. Some of them forced the government officials to eat their own dog food. Most of them, however, feel like mocking petty revenge. If anything, those sanctions that disproportionately affect regular powerless people only reinforce the official propaganda's view that "we're encircled by enemies". Vladimir Kara-Murza expressed the same ideas much…

> In my own opinion, a good step in the right direction would be if we could travel to European countries as easily as we used to be able to. I don't agree. Russia's regime threatens Europe with invasion and nuclear bombs almost on a daily basis, and vilify everyone who doesn't enthusiastically support their invasion of Ukraine. A few years ago Russia even had a nuclear bomber circling the coast of western Europe. Th…

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Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by grishka »

chipdart wrote: post #151
throwaway48476 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sanctions have an effect, the government complains about them a lot.

Random people in Russia complaining about the inconvenience of not being able to travel to Europe because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and all around imperialism is also an expected effect. It's also telling that the reaction from those affected is to complain that sanctions should be reverted because they both don't work and are inconvenient and a nuisance.

I don't see how "they don't work" and "they are inconvenient" are contradictory statements. They would've been if there were feedback mechanisms that we could use to communicate our point of view the government, but there aren't any, so in the end it's just a punishment for having been born in a wrong place at a wrong time.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by grishka »

voidr wrote: post #152
chipdart wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In my own opinion, a good step in the right direction would be if we could travel to European countries as easily as we used to be able to. I don't agree. Russia's regime threatens Europe with invasion and nuclear bombs almost on a daily basis, and vilify everyone who doesn't enthusiastically support their invasion of Ukraine. A few years ago Russia even had a nuclear bomber circling the coast of western Europe. Th…

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Yeah sometimes Chinese tourists are also annoying here. So what? I feel like every country has these kinds of stereotypes about foreign tourists. I always treat everyone with respect by default and expect the same from others.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by thayne »

anonzzzies wrote: post #129
thayne wrote: post #108

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It's more than just not spying on people. You have to be able to prove you don't spy on people. And any vendors or contractors you use also don't spy on people, and respond to requests from anyone about all the data you have on them. And delete all of the data you have for anyone who cancels their account. Sure in some cases, that isn't a huge burden, like if you have a website that doesn't handle any customer data.…

You don't have to delete as soon as they cancel; you can store it in an encrypted backup which you remove after 90 days (and throw away the key). There are a lot of 'for a reasonable period' things; meaning, you cannot store PII (including IPs) forever and you cannot store it at all in case you do not need it in the first place for your app to function (example; SaaS asking for my home address which they don't ship a…

> you can store it in an encrypted backup which you remove after 90 days (and throw away the key)

Sure. But that is much easier said than done. Especially if your previous strategy was to just keep everything, because storage is cheap, development cost is expensive, and then the data will still be there if the customer decides to return in a few years.

And in many (most?) cases it's not like you just have a single file with all the user's data, that data is spread around in many different database tables , and possibly even multiple databases. The development work to figure out how to clean everything up, without accidentally deleting anything wrong or leaving anything out can be a considerable amount of effort.

It's also not always black and white who data belongs to. If I upload an image onto a document that was shared with me, should that image be deleted if I cancel my account? What about something I posted publicly on a social media platform? Or posted privately in a group chat or DM? Does it make a difference if the content of an image or text I wrote included PII? Hopefully you have a lawyer that understands the nuances involved.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

voidr wrote: post #152
chipdart wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In my own opinion, a good step in the right direction would be if we could travel to European countries as easily as we used to be able to. I don't agree. Russia's regime threatens Europe with invasion and nuclear bombs almost on a daily basis, and vilify everyone who doesn't enthusiastically support their invasion of Ukraine. A few years ago Russia even had a nuclear bomber circling the coast of western Europe. Th…

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European here, Russia is not threatening anyone here, not sure who told you that nonsense.

Since 2014, Russia (that is, its government) has:

- Shot down a passenger jet departing from Amsterdam, murdering 298 persons (including 211 citizens from European countries)

- Carried out (or attempted) targeted killings in the UK, Germany and Spain

- Blown up a Czech munitions plant, poisoned a Bulgarian arms dealer

- Organized sabotage acts against Poland

- Abducted an Estonian security officer at gunpoint inside Estonian territory, and dragged him across the border

- Engaged in numerous maritime and border provocations, especially against the Sweden and the Baltic states

- Issued numerous menacing and/or provocative statements against Poland and the Baltic states (e.g. reminding Poland that its borders were "a gift from Stalin")

- And just the other day, Medvedev literally threatened to nuke Kyiv (saying it could turn into "a big grey lump")

It's plenty obvious you don't care about Ukraine (since you seem to have forgotten that it's part of Europe, also), but I'm pretty sure you understand that a nuclear attack on Kyiv would have certain decidedly negative effects on the rest of Europe as well.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by grishka »

aguaviva wrote: post #156
voidr wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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European here, Russia is not threatening anyone here, not sure who told you that nonsense. Since 2014, Russia (that is, its government) has: - Shot down a passenger jet departing from Amsterdam, murdering 298 persons (including 211 citizens from European countries) - Carried out (or attempted) targeted killings in the UK, Germany and Spain - Blown up a Czech munitions plant, poisoned a Bulgarian arms dealer - Organiz…

We're not talking about the government here. We're talking about regular people.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by TiredOfLife »

betaby wrote: post #106

Is Apple store working in Iran? For example, Apple store is working in Russia. I genuinely do not understand how logic works between 1.sanctions 2... 3.let's ban some IPs. What is the chain of reasoning happens on step 2? Why this is not applicable to Google/Apple? There are definitely sanctions against Russia, yet Apple/Play stores work just fine.

Not only is Apple store working in Russia. Apple, who supposedly has stopped selling hardware there, works closely with russian government to remove apps like VPNs from the store.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

grishka wrote: post #153
chipdart wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Random people in Russia complaining about the inconvenience of not being able to travel to Europe because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and all around imperialism is also an expected effect. It's also telling that the reaction from those affected is to complain that sanctions should be reverted because they both don't work and are inconvenient and a nuisance.

I don't see how "they don't work" and "they are inconvenient" are contradictory statements. They would've been if there were feedback mechanisms that we could use to communicate our point of view the government, but there aren't any, so in the end it's just a punishment for having been born in a wrong place at a wrong time.

So in the end it's just a punishment for having been born in a wrong place at a wrong time.

That's what war is, unfortunately. Millions of people in Ukraine are currently being "punished" for exactly the same offense, only in ways infinitely worse, as I don't need to tell you.

There was absolutely no reason the war had to coming into being at all. But now that we're stuck with it, the only effective questions are -- what can be done to hasten its end; provide some level of justice for those affected the worst; and to make it clear to the responsible parties that something like this can never be allowed to happen on European soil ever again?

For their own part -- it's not like the Western governments really have any other choice. Even though the sanctions are having a far more limited effect than they initially hoped -- they simply couldn't keep doing business with Russia as usual after what happened in 2022. That's all there is to it.

Meaning, they've no choice but to apply the strongest possible sanctions as they might reasonably be able to (for some definition of "reasonable"). It's a cold and calculated strategy - but again, they didn't chose this situation, and that's the moral calculus that they are now forced to adopt in response to the situation that Putin created for them.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by aguaviva »

grishka wrote: post #157
aguaviva wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

European here, Russia is not threatening anyone here, not sure who told you that nonsense. Since 2014, Russia (that is, its government) has: - Shot down a passenger jet departing from Amsterdam, murdering 298 persons (including 211 citizens from European countries) - Carried out (or attempted) targeted killings in the UK, Germany and Spain - Blown up a Czech munitions plant, poisoned a Bulgarian arms dealer - Organiz…

We're not talking about the government here. We're talking about regular people.

Both the parent and grandparent were talking primarily about the Russian government, not regular people.

(The parent also went on an annoying stupid tangent about Russian tourists, but their main point was about Russian government's repeated threats to basically start an all-out nuclear war if its latest colonial project is not allowed to succeed, including Medvedev's not so subtle threat from just the other day).

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