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Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by rhizome »

technel wrote: post #38
AznHisoka wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 99% of cases, ppl didn't reveal their private email address. NOW, people can infer your facebook email address from your facebook id... thus making spamming you much more likely. Facebook IDs are public, right? You can argue people can already mass-message people, but now it's easier.

If you compose an email to multiple @facebook.com addresses, I'm sure Facebook will limit the actual number of recipients in the same way that they do when you send messages through the Facebook message interface, so it's really no different. With 3rd party spam, the advantage Facebook has here is Zuck's "social graph" -- they can pretty easily tell what the relationship of the sender is in relation to the recipient…

It'd be interesting to see how these connections are made when the sender's email address is not associated with a Facebook account, though.

You think FB isn't in (or aspiring to) negotiations with ConstantContact, CampaignMOnitor, MailChimp, etc.? Triangulating preferences, deep dives, data warehousing, you name it.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by rhizome »

AznHisoka wrote: post #51
technel wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you compose an email to multiple @facebook.com addresses, I'm sure Facebook will limit the actual number of recipients in the same way that they do when you send messages through the Facebook message interface, so it's really no different. With 3rd party spam, the advantage Facebook has here is Zuck's "social graph" -- they can pretty easily tell what the relationship of the sender is in relation to the recipient…

yep, that's what I was getting into. It seems FB wants users to use their facebook email as their regular email address. So it would make sense if they get emails from newsletters, online bills, strangers, anyone...

Plus they get an added bonus of people who have already stopped logging in, plus those who quit based on this move, having an fb.com email for posterity unless they login one last time and chnage it.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by jaredsohn »

jaredsohn wrote: post #40

It seems like they didn't change your previous preferences but rather added a new one and changed how they interpret preferences as to what is displayed. If you look at your list of e-mail addresses, it will let you choose who to share it with if it should be shown on timeline. Previously I had a real e-mail address that was being shared with friends and another real address that was for 'only me'. When I looked at m…

Based on reading another post here, I think other e-mail addresses can still be retrieved via Facebook APIs if the user grants permission for them. I was thinking only about the timeline display and the general open graph use cases and neglected the "give extra permissions" open graph use case. Still, I don't see a good reason why there would be differentiation between what is displayed and what is given by the UI (after accounting for who is being shared with) for e-mail addresses versus those other fields.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by drivebyacct2 »

dredmorbius wrote: post #121
myko wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forced integration? It's your _Google_ account, it should work across all their products.

And if I'd much rather it didn't work, and log my activity, and broadcast my activity, among all Google products?

Then you could have not activated it? Or you can go now and in two-three clicks remove your Google+ profile entirely?

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by jaredsohn »

omarchowdhury wrote: post #127
spydertennis wrote: post #112

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I think for now the api is still returning their correct email address.

Have you tested it? Is this going to stay that way or will API usage move to returning only @facebook.com as well?

I'm a different person and I haven't tested it, but I would think it would ignore the new "show on timeline" field when retrieving via the API which would in effect return whatever e-mail addresses it used to return in addition to (assuming people don't change their settings) the new @facebook.com address.

It would be great if someone would check this, though.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by dredmorbius »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #134
dredmorbius wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if I'd much rather it didn't work, and log my activity, and broadcast my activity, among all Google products?

Then you could have not activated it? Or you can go now and in two-three clicks remove your Google+ profile entirely?

I removed it under my real name, maintain an identity under a pseudonym, and do much of my use of various Google products without logging in / authenticating.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by invisible »

The sad thing is that Facebook probably thought "Hidden from Timeline" was the appropriate setting since every opt-out thing they've done in the past has bit them in the ass. Now they do an opt-in for "Shown on Timeline" and they get bitched out.

The only unfortunate thing is that you cannot see emails to which you should have access to that are not marked as "Shown on Timeline". Complain about bad UX, not a security (in some ways) setting that is opt-in.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by kennywinker »

nickheer wrote: post #122
kennywinker wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this move might have anything to do with the new facebook integration in iOS... millions of iPhones are about to start automatically pulling contact info from facebook, wouldn't it be nice if all those people started using their @facebook.com email address?

Since this change, I haven't seen any difference in my contacts. It looks like it's still pulling all available email addresses, not just facebook.com ones.

I assume you're running iOS 6, yes?

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by kellishaver »

desigooner wrote: post #68
jaredsohn wrote: post #40

It seems like they didn't change your previous preferences but rather added a new one and changed how they interpret preferences as to what is displayed. If you look at your list of e-mail addresses, it will let you choose who to share it with if it should be shown on timeline. Previously I had a real e-mail address that was being shared with friends and another real address that was for 'only me'. When I looked at m…

FWIW, I had my real email addresses showing before this weekend and when I checked this morning, the only email address that was being shown was the @facebook.com one. My other 2 email addresses (one visible to each of my friends and one only to a close few) were hidden from my timeline. Shady!!

I had the same experience. I don't make my email address public, but I do have it visible to friends - sharing contact info among selected groups is one of the few things Facebook is useful for. When I checked earlier, my real email was hidden from everyone and my friends were only seeing the @facebook.com address.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by aniro »

pcwalton wrote: post #117
aniro wrote: post #106

The Manson Family. Note that "family". A controlling psychopath or cult requires cutting off access to outside resources, preempting a possible escape path. No different.

Could we please not take the trendy HN cynicism so far as to equate Facebook with mass-murdering serial killers? It's a social networking site .

My point was not to equate the murderous behavior. I see that you might find such a comparison distressing.

Facebook is circling the wagons on its user base. I see no one this benefits other than Facebook itself.

While promoting effortless and frictionless sharing of every last minute detail of daily life and thought within the Facebook "family", they are now very actively creating massive amounts of friction in order to prevent people from sharing with the same people anywhere else.

They are closing the exits in a defensive move to prevent people from leaving.

This is not good social behavior. This is what cults and psychopaths do in order to exert control.

This looks like the behavior of an entity with mal intent.

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