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Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by tomkarlo » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:09 PM UTC

praxulus wrote: post #70

jaredsohn wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The important aspect of the change is they hid peoples' non-facebook e-mail addresses.

Unless I'm trying to run a business, I almost always prefer this kind of error to the opposite.

It's one thing to just hide a piece of information a user asked you to publish on their behalf. It's another to remove it, and then replace it with a nearly identical element because it's preferable to you from a business perspective.

The latter is why folks are upset; simply hiding all listed emails, or adding in the @facebook emails on profiles, would probably not have generated as many complaints.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by spydertennis » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:10 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #103

zhoutong wrote: post #100

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Yes, and how about iMessage and FaceTime that require email addresses in contacts to work? And also the 3rd party sites that rely on Facebook OAuth API to identify users based on emails (they could use uids, but I'm sure some are still using email).

This completely blows away the "let's the users sign up using facebook, we store their email and if we ever decide to ditch the FB login, we can always email them a password reset"

I think for now the api is still returning their correct email address.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by myko » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:14 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #87

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has Google "forced upon users" with Google+? Especially given that you can still remove G+ from your large Google profile (for now at least)

Forced integration of G+ with Gmail, maps, youtube etc... The toolbar that is present across all services that is the G+ alert bar... As well as the fact that by default all your use of all Google products would be captured. You have to opt out of all google tracking to turn that off. While I wont call it being forced, it was an edict which you had plenty of time opting out from prior to it occurring...

Forced integration? It's your _Google_ account, it should work across all their products.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by jeremyarussell » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:14 PM UTC

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #73

mtgx wrote: post #54

This is so much worse than anything Google has ever forced upon users with Google+.

What has Google "forced upon users" with Google+? Especially given that you can still remove G+ from your large Google profile (for now at least)

The only thing that was ever really "Forced" from google was when all my google plus circle's appeared in my android phone and I had to manually move them into different groups in my contacts to get it to stop.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by nimblegorilla » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:16 PM UTC

I already use google as my preferred giant corporation with access to every email I send. I wish there was a way to turn off all facebook messages or at least send an auto-reply saying that I rarely respond to facebook messages.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:32 PM UTC

jfoutz wrote: post #30

Amusingly, facebook dropped 2 out of 3 test messages from the other address facebook knows about. Seriously, if anything should be whitelisted, it's that. I understand that they want to read my mail. They want to know who i interact with. Why make such a shitty mail client? No POP. no IMAP. Can't view headers. It's not clear how much html is allowed, because they're dropping to many messages. They're not even pretend…

In my experience, test messages never work, but real messages always do. Somehow.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by pcwalton » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:38 PM UTC

aniro wrote: post #106

The Manson Family. Note that "family". A controlling psychopath or cult requires cutting off access to outside resources, preempting a possible escape path. No different.

Could we please not take the trendy HN cynicism so far as to equate Facebook with mass-murdering serial killers? It's a social networking site.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:40 PM UTC

crusso wrote: post #52

envex wrote: post #42

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Doesn't seem like you're looking too hard -- you know, still having a facebook account and all. If you hate it that much, delete the account :P

Well, yeah. I'm mostly just jabbing at them in frustration at how much other people buy into centering their lives around FB... but I'm not a total luddite. :) Every once-in-a-while, someone from high school wants to get in touch with me and FB is a decent enough honey pot. That said, I am enough of a luddite to not see the need to have a Twitter account.

I generally don't participate in "social media". My Facebook is mostly of invites, updates to businesses I am interested in.

I would argue a Twitter account is much more interesting than a Facebook account. Quite a few notable people have Twitter and they are mostly interesting or funny reads.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by drucken » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:44 PM UTC

zizee wrote: post #97

samstave wrote: post #89

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Google tried to get users to link their gmail accounts and youtube accounts. Thus, if someone sent you a youtube link in gmail and you clicked it - you would be logged into youtube already/automatically so that they can track your viewing behavior.

I'm sure they could track you without linking through two accounts together. They also track all link clicks from within gmail. Not saying the tracking isn't bad, just that the account linking had more to do with unifying the Google experience than tracking.

Actually, that was the whole point. They were not allowed to due to their separate service agreements/privacy policies.

Then, early in Q1 2012, presumably as part of the whole G+ ecosystem push, they unified/changed their Privacy Policy terms across all (most?) services which users also had to accept.

Re: Facebook forces all users over to Facebook.com e-mail addresses

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Post by grandpoobah » Mon, Jun 25, 2012, 10:56 PM UTC

sheckel wrote: post #77

Wow. This thread just alerted me to the existence of that 'other' mailbox. I had no clue that existed. That could have saved me some trouble; I just found this message from last July: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1792/screenshot20120625at35...

that must make you angry