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Post by vel0city »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #203
modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

> the [Tesla] charging experience couldn't be simpler, park and plug in, unplug and go. No tap, no app. Crazy how no one else could figure this out. Agreed. I don't know why the vehicle and charger manufacturers didn't settle on a system that would let a user store credit card credentials or some other token in the car itself. When you pull up to a charger, plug in, and the charger and car do the handshake, and the c…

I don't have a Tesla. Almost all my DC fast charging experiences have been plug and charge.

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Post by talldatethrow »

blamazon wrote: post #145
talldatethrow wrote: post #117

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…

EVs are often festooned with cameras which is a disincentive to opportunistic crime. At fast charging stations there's usually other people sitting in their cars which is another disincentive.

Criminals mug and kill shop owners pretty often. Knowing theres a camera isn't going to stop anyone.

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Post by talldatethrow »

talldatethrow wrote: post #117

I think as soon as thieves realize cars that are plugged in with drivers inside waiting are not able to drive away without unplugging, there will be a huge surge in crime against people charging their EVs. Then there will be a large surge in people going back to complaining about EVs having too many drawbacks. At least at a gas station I'm only there for 5 minutes, it's not at the back of some dark parking lot, and I…

I should add that I currently have a non Tesla EV. So I've sat in those charge spots. A camera or possibly another sitting duck next to you isn't going to save you.

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Post by vel0city »

kristopolous wrote: post #121
epistasis wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government investment is just getting started with deployment, and frankly waiting to standardize on NACS instead of deploying with CCS was the smart choice, even if it delayed deployment by a year or so. NACS is so much better and having a single standard will smooth out so much in the future.

But globally it's not a single standard. I believe with NACS, the US once again, sits alone, like it does so often. Basically every other country is doing CCS, the US was deploying CCS but then the government said "nah, let's go with this other one". I remember when I saw companies switching to it, I seemed to be the only person who thought it was a bad idea. On the side of International Standardization it's me, a co…

Oh no I won't be able to charge my car when I do my yearly road trip from Texas to Croatia? What ever will I do.

It's such a non-issue.

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Post by vel0city »

kristopolous wrote: post #134
mattmaroon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

I think cars will be more commodified internationally as EV efficiencies continue to drive the prices down and new lower cost tiers for different vehicle classes open up. This has certainly happened in China and arguably manifests itself as scooter/motorcycle culture in places like Taiwan, Vietnam and Indonesia. (In Shenzhen, the scooters were almost universally electric when I was there last month) Imagine the conta…

> The manufacturer produces them ready for the world market in 2 technical variations, right and left

There are so many more regulations about cars than just what side the wheel is on or what kind of plug is used. Things like bumper design, headlight design, light positions, and more. Many are conflicting meaning being compliant in one market necessitates being non-compliant in another.

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Post by vel0city »

spookie wrote: post #156
mattmaroon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

Ease of manufacturing and export of vehicles globally. Also, with everyone on the same standard, all companies have an incentive to optimize their hardware to accomodatte it. It might not be that important short term but it is on the medium to long term to complete a proper transition.

It's the same signaling standard. It's just a different plug on the side.

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Post by reaperman »

Aromasin wrote: post #161
jessriedel wrote: post #142

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> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

As of this year, it's a 100% tariff on Chinese EV's, not 25%.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

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Post by _thisdot »

Aromasin wrote: post #161
jessriedel wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Traditional US car manufacturers are absolutely incompetent and will not survive competition with Chinese manufacturers unless they clean house on everything software related. Legacy American car companies have been fully non-competitive with foreign brands for decades. Their continued existence is completely due to tariffs, and it’s not close. I see no reason to think congress would suddenly allow them to be threa…

For those who aren't aware it's a 25% tarrif, so most manufacturers don't bother even trying to sell in the US. That's why almost all European/Japanese brand cars are 30+ years old over there. I find it entertaining when my US colleague come visit and are amazed at all the options. I drive a new Toyota Hilux, and they weren't even aware they made them anymore. For a country that once prided itself on being the land o…

I find the inverse interesting too. US Brands trying to sell in foreign markets. India, for instance, has a lot of Asian and European brands. But the two American brands we did have, Chevrolet and Ford, had to leave India. They were decently popular back when they were here. And I still drive a Chevy Spark from 2012.

Ford is trying to make a comeback now though

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Post by appendix-rock »

modeless wrote: post #96

I tried the reverse recently, charging my Model 3 at third party CCS chargers with adapter (and CCS compatibility retrofit). It is bleak out there. The chargers are few and far between, half of them are broken, and even the ones that aren't broken have compatibility issues so they may not work anyway. The required apps are unreliable and annoying. I remember 5+ years ago Superchargers were a lot less common and also…

It’s not that Tesla has uniquely worked it out. It’s that the other options in your country basically only exist out of spite. We know how to do charging networks now. Eventually, someone in the US will see the worth in it.

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Post by mattmaroon »

prmoustache wrote: post #148
mattmaroon wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do we need it for? Are you driving your car across the Atlantic? We don’t have an international standard for what side of the road to drive on. Being something you practically always don’t take with you when you travel, as long as we’re standardized by continent what would even be the benefit?

Except sometimes campers. There are still people doing world trips. We might collectively decide they need to keep using diesel forever or stop doing world trips with vehicles altogether but that is still currently a thing, even though it is very very marginal. Also, the USA has borders with 2 countries with I imagine people crossing the border daily on both side to simply go to work. It seems weird to me that these…

They do. It’s literally called the North American Charging Standard. I specifically said “as long as they’re standardized by continent”.

But good take.

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