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Older Teslas (approx 2019 and older) need a hardware update.
Damn, ouch. Seems crazy that they're now in the position of breaking supercharger compatibility with existing cars.
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While I have no information here, I'd bet/conspiracy theorize that Tesla is looking to maintain exclusivity/low-ish congestion of its Supercharger sites for as long as possible, and using its position as a supplier of NACS adapters to do that. Demand for and purchasing of Tesla cars has gone down considerably[1], and I'd assert that Superchargers, which have historically been a positive for Tesla, catching a reputati…
Just like how the Hyperloop was a scheme to prevent development of trains. Tesla doesn't try to make the best product, they just try to hurt the competition.
Great step. NACS is so nice compared to CCS 1. Can't wait for this to standardize and EV charging stations to stop being so novel.
This still feels a long way off. I have yet to encounter a charger, not made by Tesla, that has an NACS plug.
Fortunately for the future state, they can be changed.
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this one? https://ev-lectron.com/products/lectron-vortex-plug-tesla-su...
no, the GM-branded one that won't void my warrantee
Next you'll need to enter a credit card, and then X out of the confirmation screen. Finally you'll get a link to order the adapter, which you can only access in a web view inside the MyChevrolet app.
The web view will show multiple discount codes regarding parts, but none of the %-off ones do anything for this order, only the free shipping one works on this. Also don't click the outermost X during the order process, since this will close the web view and make you start over. At times you'll need to click an "inner" X below that. It's one of the worst order interfaces I've ever seen.
Oh, and the first time I actually made it through the full checkout process, it gave me an error and said to try again later. But it wouldn't let me try again later (couldn't resubmit my order/cart) so I had to start from scratch for like the third time.
Also the adapter is already on backorder, so there's no estimation of when this will actually ship.
I think I'm never buying a GM car ever again.
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This just feels like VHS vs. Betamax. VHS won because it was the better format, but Betamax fans took a value out of context and kept whining about the loss for years. (VHS was better. Not only was it cheaper, Betamax's smaller cassette meant that feature length movies used a slower tape speed than VHS, negating claims of a better picture.)
Must resist... nitpicking... no I can't. Betamax originally didn't sell tapes which could record more than 1 hour. So people couldn't tape movies onto a single tape, but had to use 2 tapes. What I really came to say is that the current reality is worse. In this analogy, not only did BetaMax win, neither BetaMax nor VHS came to Europe, but instead Philips 2000 won there. (US Teslas don't fast-charge in Europe.)
This is going to be deeply frustrating when they finally build that tunnel across the Atlantic.
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Just like how the Hyperloop was a scheme to prevent development of trains. Tesla doesn't try to make the best product, they just try to hurt the competition.
Supercharger is the best product, and without Tesla we wouldn't be half as far as we are with car electrification. I don't get the ludicrousness of statements such as yours.
Superchargers were the best product, yes. But then Tesla fired its entire supercharger team, demonstrating how little they care about it right now. They've been simultaneously dragging their feet on allowing third parties access to the network, as originally promised.
The Hyperloop was indeed intended to stop California extending its rail network - Elon himself admitted as such: https://x.com/parismarx/status/1571628269555826688
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Damn, ouch. Seems crazy that they're now in the position of breaking supercharger compatibility with existing cars.
No compatibility break as far as I know. I believe V3 superchargers speak CCS to 2019 and newer cars and fallback to the older Tesla-proprietary communication if necessary.
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Tesla chargers are CCS. It's just that in the US they use a different plug, in Europe Tesla chargers uses CCS-2 connectors.
> Tesla chargers are CCS. This is misleading and not entirely true. Older Tesla chargers did not use CCS to communicate. My 2019 Model 3 doesn't support CCS at all. When I plug into a Supercharger, it's not using CCS to communicate with the charger, it's using Tesla's proprietary CAN bus protocol. Teslas made before 2021 need an ECU retrofit to support CCS.
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I feel bad for people who can't charge at home. I get to charge at my residential 11.5¢/kWh. Though I don't go far from home very often so I've never charged anywhere else. If I wasn't getting this rate the savings over gas would get a lot narrower.
Here in the bay area, my at home charging costs are very close to a supercharger. something like 35c vs 40c.
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They didn’t have a choice. My understand is the EU dictated all cars have the IEC Type 2(?) connector to sell, so Tesla complied. No mess like the US. The US had no such law and has refused to make one. We’ve gone with the traditional carrot approach where they wouldn’t get funds to built more superchargers without doing this due to the infrastructure law. But it was their choice and they didn’t have to.
Seems like the US free market approach is winning yet again, where the superior product is becoming the standard, and the inventor of the superior product is profiting.
They could have given away their connector 10 years ago and saved everyone a huge and expensive mess. But that’s in their interest. So instead dozens of companies wasted huge amounts of monies installing a bunch of cables that all have to be replaced.
Or the government could have seen that they had a better option and simply taken it and said it was the standard. But of course that wouldn’t be the American way.
So we suffered through a giant mess instead wasting time and money.
Tesla chose not to fix this until the damage was done and their benefit was small enough to be worth giving up.