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Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by username332211 »

tmottabr wrote: post #12
username332211 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Null-routing Cloudflare is also going to do a fair bit of collateral damage to the people of the 7th most populous state on Earth though. Considering the initial order of the Brazilian judiciary regarding VPN, this is almost certainly what Twitter hopes to achieve here.

i doubt it will require null-routing Cloudflare.. they will probably get notified to block twitter in Brazil and will likely comply.

Well, yes it's always possible that Cloudflare will comply with a demand to block Twitter. GP specifically raised the possibility of null-routing and I'm just pointing out it's probably not a good idea.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by vfclists »

The real question is whether is whether it is right for the judges of a country to block access to a service that the countries depend on.

For instance in the UK the government can stop local media from publishing news that is considered libellous or defamatory, or may unjustly influence court cases, but they can't stop citizens from accessing that information if it is published in a news outlet outside the country.

No one is questioning why the Brazilian judiciary should have that power. It seems rather excessive and an infringement of Brazilians rights, though that is not surprising when we live in a era when governments have taking upon themselves to decide what their citizens rights are, when human rights are supposed to be intrinsic, ie those that all fauna on the planet do.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by sunaookami »

kingofthehill98 wrote: post #23
exabrial wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We really need to avoid a future where censorship is regarded as a virtue and monopolized transit providers are "cancelled" or shamed into being the judge/jury/executioner. The far better solution is just to ignore stuff you don't agree with, go outside, and move on with life.

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The current state of Hacker News, where an audience that should know better advocates for censorship with vague reasons. No, censorship is never good, you are not able to have a free society with it.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by beeflet »

kingofthehill98 wrote: post #29
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to see why Cloudflare would put themselves in this position if they're planning to back down when the order inevitably comes in. (Perhaps Twitter somehow did this without Cloudflare's cooperation - I wouldn't put that past them trying but I'd be surprised if it were possible.)

Don't see why they would join this fight agains't Brazil. The money X Corp is paying them cannot be THAT great to justify losing all brazilian costumers and Cloudflare doesn't seem like a very ideology-driven company.

I think it would be about the matter of principle and demonstrating that they will defend their customer's interests.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by kotaKat »

diegoholiveira wrote: post #2

It's really interesting that CloudFlare accepted X (Twitter) as a client knowing the fights Musk gets into.

Google Ads took Twitter on, too. Google now delivers ads directly into Twitter that /sort of/ look like tweets, but just off enough to tell they’re ads. The “Why this ad” sends you off to Google.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by jaredcwhite »

exabrial wrote: post #18
diegoholiveira wrote: post #2

It's really interesting that CloudFlare accepted X (Twitter) as a client knowing the fights Musk gets into.

We really need to avoid a future where censorship is regarded as a virtue and monopolized transit providers are "cancelled" or shamed into being the judge/jury/executioner. The far better solution is just to ignore stuff you don't agree with, go outside, and move on with life.

lol, no we don't. Hosting providers have always had terms of service, and private enterprise does not need to adhere to government-level definitions of free speech.

Re: Twitter/X migrated to Cloudflare, bypassing Brazilian block

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Post by tmottabr »

beeflet wrote: post #37
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't see why they would join this fight agains't Brazil. The money X Corp is paying them cannot be THAT great to justify losing all brazilian costumers and Cloudflare doesn't seem like a very ideology-driven company.

I think it would be about the matter of principle and demonstrating that they will defend their customer's interests.

They will defend their customer interests by staying able to do business in Brazil..

Lets remember that Twitter is not their only customer..

So if twitter has problem with some country justice it is their problem to solve, not a problem to be shared with every other Cloudflare customer..

Also, i doubt that they are making more money from Twitter then every other customer in Brazil added together..

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