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Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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The cookie policy is a stupid value-signalling stunt with only negative real-life effects. The correct way of handling the problem would have been through request headers and browser settings, or simply, use the existing option of either allowing or disallowing cookies, and put this option on a per-site basis and a bit more into the users face..

GDPR compliance can be implement many ways, starting with not collecting data in the first place. Even if data is collected and sold it is still both possible and arguably even easier to implement GDPR compliance without cookie pop ups.

However, we have codecamp graduates gluing left-pad modules together until something works instead of engineers building websites and it shows.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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post #39
post #14

uBlock Origin has cookie notice filters. I don't think this is enabled by default; you can enable it in the Filter Lists section, along with "annoyances".

And it works really well. Until it does not, and then you need to figure why the page isn't working for you but your neighbour has no problems. I still use it all the time though but there is some pages I won't bother with much. Probably better that way anyway :-)

Yes I prefer using the special EU cookie wall plugin. I forget the name right now, sorry.

Ublock just blocks the popup which breaks some sites that don't work until you make a choice, which you can't because it's blocked. The other plugin answers it for you in the background with your chosen options.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have sales data for that.

Have you ever seen a marketeer say no to more data?

Because it is there: don't make them choose; we have x and nothing more so you cannot have more.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#64

This doesn't read quite right to me. Maybe I missed something. Under the GDPR sites are emphatically NOT allowed to deny service over rejecting cookies. Iirc the only valid options are providing a paid alternative or blocking service to the entire class of GDPR covered citizens.

Even a paid alternative is very iffy. Some jurisdictions like Germany have allowed it after a court ruling but most have not. Meta is also getting flak from the EU for their "accept or pay" model.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#65
Maybe stop doing stupid shit that will legally require you to inform users that you're about to sell/share everything you know about them to 3rd parties?

I fail to understand companies that display page after page of cookies and tracking stuff for you to approve don't see the issue with their actions or the insanity of "allow us to share data with our 1500 partners". Does no one in these business look at this and go: "Hey, why do we need 50 different tracking tools" or "Why do we share customer data with over a thousand other businesses?".

When you actually read what these pop-ups says, then you understand why they are there, and why the problem with the laws isn't that it's annoying, but that it is not much more restrictive.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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post #38
post #7

The cookie policy is a stupid value-signalling stunt with only negative real-life effects. The correct way of handling the problem would have been through request headers and browser settings, or simply, use the existing option of either allowing or disallowing cookies, and put this option on a per-site basis and a bit more into the users face..

Besides cookies, there are tracking methods based on fingerprinting, IP and so on. None of them are permitted without explicit consent. This means that a site may not load resources from a third-party server without consent, since the request itself reveals enough information for fingerprinting and tracking. Tracking is plainly not permitted without consent.

> Tracking is plainly not permitted without consent.

According to some poorly thought out law in certain territories, sure.

In practice, however, there is no technical mechanism by which users, or anyone else for that matter, can detect whether they're being tracked or consent to it. There are browser extensions conscious users can install to block certain browser features, but these are not infallible, and they're constantly playing a cat and mouse game with trackers.

The cookie policy only applies for cookies, not for general tracking. And even with it, companies loophole their way by claiming "legitimate interest". Many popular websites show cookie consent forms with upwards of a thousand of these companies, and deliberately use dark patterns to make it impossible to deny all of them. It's absolute insanity.

But in general, cookies are a red herring. They're used as sacrificial offering aimed at governments and the public to show that a company really cares about user privacy by not using them. When in reality they've been relying on far more sophisticated tracking methods for many years which are technically impossible for the public to even comprehend.

And let's not forget about the shady data broker market, where our data is perpetually transacted against our will or knowledge, let alone benefit.

We need far more technical experts in governments to pass strict regulation against this nonsense, in a way that it actually benefits the public. But I'm not holding my breath that this will ever happen, considering the corporatocracy we're living in.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#67
post #7

The cookie policy is a stupid value-signalling stunt with only negative real-life effects. The correct way of handling the problem would have been through request headers and browser settings, or simply, use the existing option of either allowing or disallowing cookies, and put this option on a per-site basis and a bit more into the users face..

The request headers are already there. It's the DoNotTrack header.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#68
post #7

The cookie policy is a stupid value-signalling stunt with only negative real-life effects. The correct way of handling the problem would have been through request headers and browser settings, or simply, use the existing option of either allowing or disallowing cookies, and put this option on a per-site basis and a bit more into the users face..

The Do Not Track header was immediately used by the industry to fingerprint and track users.

GDPR isn't about cookies, or browsers.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#69
Why would they stop?

Most users are now giving explicit consent to be tracked! What a dream! Before, they had to worry about legal grey areas!

Now the legislation says it's fine, as long as they click "OK". Which almost every user does because they are tired and annoyed by the pop ups.

Thank you legislators!

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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post #54

Please stop - selling our data to advertisers.

For that to work users have to spend money on their services. I hope that will happen in the future, but until then it is hard to compete with free services that has ads.

You don't need invasive and pervasive tracking to display ads. Google became an ad behemoth with contextual ads
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