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Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

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Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#51

Stop using Google Analytics and your need to place cookies and thus need for cookie popups vanishes. Goatcounter or Plausible will do fine. Some decent frontend log parsing will also be a viable strategy. Stop feeding Google your customers data for free.

They mostly use it to monitor (and automate) how successful ads are. Plausible is not a drop-in replacement for such use cases.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#52
The future 2 years down is cookieless anyway.¹

I'm afraid that these banners, because these are called "cookie banners" and not "consent to us using your data and giving it freely to other companies banners", will just go away, people (& companies) will be happy, and the consumer stays a fool.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_cookies

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#53
post #19

Cookie banners are a great reason for expirations dates on new policies. If it works: Great, renew it! If it does not work, is not required anymore or was just plain stupid: Never talk about it again and it will run out. But who will actively admit that regulation failed and work to undo it?

Cookie banners is not a policy, it is used to work around a policy, and often implemented incorrectly. GPDR says you need to be given a specific informed decision, but often cookie banners show a big green approve button, and a less positive deny button (if that is even the case). When the law is being enforced better (Which is slowly happening) those cookie banners should get 2 the same looking buttons, and that would result in more denies. Hopefully, companies would realize that they need to solve their marketing differently.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#55
post #19

Cookie banners are a great reason for expirations dates on new policies. If it works: Great, renew it! If it does not work, is not required anymore or was just plain stupid: Never talk about it again and it will run out. But who will actively admit that regulation failed and work to undo it?

Cookie banners is not a policy, it is used to work around a policy, and often implemented incorrectly. GPDR says you need to be given a specific informed decision, but often cookie banners show a big green approve button, and a less positive deny button (if that is even the case). When the law is being enforced better (Which is slowly happening) those cookie banners should get 2 the same looking buttons, and that wou…

More like big green approve button vs.

"Configure my preferences" -> Untick all the things -> Make sure you click the almost invisible Save button and not accidentally click the big green "Allow All" button.

Horrible. If we can force websites to do this, we should be able to force websites to read my request header NoDamnTrackingCookiesFfs

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#56

Stop using Google Analytics and your need to place cookies and thus need for cookie popups vanishes. Goatcounter or Plausible will do fine. Some decent frontend log parsing will also be a viable strategy. Stop feeding Google your customers data for free.

They mostly use it to monitor (and automate) how successful ads are. Plausible is not a drop-in replacement for such use cases.

You have sales data for that.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#57

The future 2 years down is cookieless anyway.¹ I'm afraid that these banners, because these are called "cookie banners" and not "consent to us using your data and giving it freely to other companies banners", will just go away, people (& companies) will be happy, and the consumer stays a fool. ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_cookies

The legal requirement behind them is about storing information about a person that isn't strictly necessary for functionality or law.

It remains even if "cookies" were replaced with "smart dust tracked into your house by cyber-ants".

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They mostly use it to monitor (and automate) how successful ads are. Plausible is not a drop-in replacement for such use cases.

You have sales data for that.

Have you ever seen a marketeer say no to more data?

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#59
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lawmakers regulated that a website should warn you, and then upgraded to ask for your consent, before collecting and storing privately identifiable information about you. The regulation doesn't mention cookie popups. The easiest way to comply is to not collect nor store any such information.

> The regulation doesn't mention cookie popups. The easiest way to comply is to not collect nor store any such information. Utopia is just around the corner as long as everyone does exactly as I say rather than being driven by self interest.

Governments don't think in terms of utopia, but the rest is literally what a government is: here are the rules, you will follow them or get punished.

Relying on self-interest is Laissez-faire, that had the result of (1) the invention of communism and (2) basically ended even in the US with the Great Depression.

Communism kinda had the same problem, as it made false assumptions about human nature and self-interest.

Re: Please stop putting cookie pop-ups on your website (2022)

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cookie banners is not a policy, it is used to work around a policy, and often implemented incorrectly. GPDR says you need to be given a specific informed decision, but often cookie banners show a big green approve button, and a less positive deny button (if that is even the case). When the law is being enforced better (Which is slowly happening) those cookie banners should get 2 the same looking buttons, and that wou…

More like big green approve button vs. "Configure my preferences" -> Untick all the things -> Make sure you click the almost invisible Save button and not accidentally click the big green "Allow All" button. Horrible. If we can force websites to do this, we should be able to force websites to read my request header NoDamnTrackingCookiesFfs

Probably worth noting that this practice is illegal in the EU. Saying no should be just as easy as saying yes.

However they are very bad at enforcing it, sadly.

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